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Posted: 12/18/2018 3:14:45 AM EDT
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In before the Mongols adopt the Gadsden Flag to be their replacement patch.
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Posted: 12/18/2018 4:09:39 AM EDT
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Have a buddy associated with another well known club who said they were talking about this. Their plan was "fuck it, well merchandise the fuck outta fully patched cuts and sell them to EVERYONE cheap at every rally we can get to, and make it a 1A issue. Then design a new cut for members down the line."
Pretty smart solution imo. |
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Posted: 12/18/2018 4:15:17 AM EDT
[#3]
Not a good ruling.
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Posted: 12/18/2018 11:42:20 AM EDT
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In before the Mongols adopt the Gadsden Flag to be their replacement patch. |
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Posted: 12/18/2018 11:50:50 AM EDT
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I think you'd have to be kind of a puss gang member if you give up wearing your patches because a federal judge says so  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: A couple of years. I think a judge ruled against the feds seizure of their colors a few years ago so they could continue wearing them. Saw a half dozen at a bar wearing them a few weeks ago so I assume they won that case. Of course outlaws will outlaw so perhaps not. |
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Posted: 12/18/2018 11:57:23 AM EDT
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Sounds like a RICO to far to me.
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Posted: 12/18/2018 5:11:49 PM EDT
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Indeed, a slippery slope, if this stands. Next multiple shooting could the boltface logo be verboten? 
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Posted: 12/18/2018 6:57:53 PM EDT
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I won’t white knight for trailer trash gangs on bikes but this sets a dangerous precedent. Imagine all the other ways broad RICO cases could be abused and think about who makes those decisions. Guilt by association has no place in a free country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ha ha! Guilt by association has no place in a free country. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:41:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what 1% club is this, because I call B.S. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:47:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:50:25 AM EDT
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Have a buddy associated with another well known club who said they were talking about this. Their plan was "fuck it, well merchandise the fuck outta fully patched cuts and sell them to EVERYONE cheap at every rally we can get to, and make it a 1A issue. Then design a new cut for members down the line." Pretty smart solution imo. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:50:59 AM EDT
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Ha ha! |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:00:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I won’t white knight for trailer trash gangs on bikes but this sets a dangerous precedent. Imagine all the other ways broad RICO cases could be abused and think about who makes those decisions. Guilt by association has no place in a free country. 
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:12:52 AM EDT
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why won't they go after Antifa, or Soros, or others on the Left that openly work to subvert the rule of law in this country?
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:16:15 AM EDT
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If you fly the Jolly Roger, don't cry when you get treated like a pirate. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:17:49 AM EDT
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Yeah omgs are just like arfcom |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:18:49 AM EDT
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How is this even remotely Constitutional? |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:22:05 AM EDT
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When you join a gang, whose entire purpose is to make money doing crime, it’s not guilt by association. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ha ha! Guilt by association has no place in a free country. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:37:44 AM EDT
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Not really.the forum doesn’t exist for the purposes of criminal activity like a gang does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 1:45:22 AM EDT
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Have a buddy associated with another well known club who said they were talking about this. Their plan was "fuck it, well merchandise the fuck outta fully patched cuts and sell them to EVERYONE cheap at every rally we can get to, and make it a 1A issue. Then design a new cut for members down the line." Pretty smart solution imo. |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 8:51:24 PM EDT
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An Orange County jury decided Friday that the Mongols motorcycle gang should be stripped of its trademarked logo in a first-of-its-kind verdict, federal prosecutors said.
The jury in U.S. District Court in Santa Ana previously found Mongol Nation, the entity that owns the image of a Mongol warrior on a chopper, guilty of racketeering and conspiracy. The verdict caps an unusual decade-long quest by prosecutors to dismantle the gang responsible for drug dealing and murder by seizing control of the trademark they said was core to the gang’s identity. Gang members were “empowered by these symbols that they wear like armor,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Welk said. The effort to take the logo followed the racketeering convictions of 77 gang members in 2008 after U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents infiltrated the gang. Four male ATF agents became “full-patch” members and four female agents posed as their girlfriends during the lengthy investigation. “Being a Mongol promises you one of two things – death or prison,” a member told one of the agents who received a coveted patch, prosecutors said. More |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:04:20 PM EDT
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I think you'd have to be kind of a puss gang member if you give up wearing your patches because a federal judge says so Today Mongols patches. Tomorrow? Gadsden flags. The week after? Anyone driving a pickup truck. See... here's how it works. Rico case based on colors/patches/rockers only. Not by legitimate evidence. Want a Rico case? Catch and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that members are guilty of a crime, and have committed a crime. Conspiracy charges applied merely by what some beer bellied hog rider wears? Wait til the thought police find GD.... Just sayin... |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 9:19:26 PM EDT
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An Orange County jury decided Friday that the Mongols motorcycle gang should be stripped of its trademarked logo in a first-of-its-kind verdict, federal prosecutors said. The jury in U.S. District Court in Santa Ana previously found Mongol Nation, the entity that owns the image of a Mongol warrior on a chopper, guilty of racketeering and conspiracy. The verdict caps an unusual decade-long quest by prosecutors to dismantle the gang responsible for drug dealing and murder by seizing control of the trademark they said was core to the gang’s identity. Gang members were “empowered by these symbols that they wear like armor,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Welk said. The effort to take the logo followed the racketeering convictions of 77 gang members in 2008 after U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents infiltrated the gang. Four male ATF agents became “full-patch” members and four female agents posed as their girlfriends during the lengthy investigation. “Being a Mongol promises you one of two things – death or prison,” a member told one of the agents who received a coveted patch, prosecutors said. More |
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Posted: 1/11/2019 11:54:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:05:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Until they seize the bikes of the guys wearing them... |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:12:39 AM EDT
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:14:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Non US Citizen Hell's Angels are barred from entering the US. But the NRA ect aren't criminal organizations..... |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:16:27 AM EDT
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If you fly the Jolly Roger, don't cry when you get treated like a pirate. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:22:57 AM EDT
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 12:28:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Until they seize the bikes of the guys wearing them... "Lyft to ride, ride to Lyft" |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 4:35:58 AM EDT
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Don't think all the Mongols got the message.
There was 4-5 of them in Ybor tonight wearing their cuts. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 4:54:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The level of ignorance about gangs in this thread is amazing. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 5:40:44 AM EDT
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Don't think all the Mongols got the message. There was 4-5 of them in Ybor tonight wearing their cuts. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 5:56:11 AM EDT
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This is not good for anyone.
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Posted: 1/12/2019 6:03:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be interesting to hear more about the female agents experience. "Girlfriend" is a pretty loose term in that world. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 6:08:54 AM EDT
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This right here. It's really sad what's happening. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I won't white knight for trailer trash gangs on bikes but this sets a dangerous precedent. Imagine all the other ways broad RICO cases could be abused and think about who makes those decisions. Guilt by association has no place in a free country. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 6:11:46 AM EDT
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 7:55:40 AM EDT
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This, do you think the next liberal administration is going to go easy on us........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. ....oh shit..... 
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Posted: 1/12/2019 7:59:10 AM EDT
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Not really.the forum doesn't exist for the purposes of criminal activity like a gang does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Applying that to forum membership is a sobering thought. when our guns are illegal or they start labeling us as a 'hate speech" site you can bet they will try to shut it down |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:05:44 AM EDT
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What’s worse is they were wearing them at a bar in a town known to be Outlaws territory. I couldn’t recall if those two groups were feuding or not but since the latter frequents that establishment I figured they were ballsy enough. Unfortunately no Outlaws came in to provide the evenings entertainment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: A couple of years. I think a judge ruled against the feds seizure of their colors a few years ago so they could continue wearing them. Saw a half dozen at a bar wearing them a few weeks ago so I assume they won that case. Of course outlaws will outlaw so perhaps not. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:15:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I heard Outlaws are affiliated with H A |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:17:11 AM EDT
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Last I heard Outlaws are affiliated with H A |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:31:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure until internet forums and other clubs start requiring you to commit a violent felony witnessed by a full patch member to gain entry they are safe from being designated as an ongoing criminal enterprise. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:35:19 AM EDT
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Yeah, if the Mongols was an open membership motorcycle club you would have a point. You can't become a Mongols member without a current member witnessing you commit a violent felony to gain your membership. They instituted this rule after the ATF infiltrated them because they know that undercover law enforcement, who can otherwise do certain things like sell/use drugs and commit other crimes for the furtherance of their role, draws a hard line at committing felony assaults in furtherance of their investigation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Of course the argument can also be made that not everyone is there for the same reason. I'm sure there are some who just like dressing up like a pirate on the weekends and hugging other men while calling each other bro. You can't become a Mongols member without a current member witnessing you commit a violent felony to gain your membership. They instituted this rule after the ATF infiltrated them because they know that undercover law enforcement, who can otherwise do certain things like sell/use drugs and commit other crimes for the furtherance of their role, draws a hard line at committing felony assaults in furtherance of their investigation. And fuck the Mongols. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:36:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always figured the felony in thing was a myth since LE still manages to infiltrate them. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:37:50 AM EDT
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It used to be a lot looser and they would accept guys who snorted(or appeared to snort) meth with them and got in bar fights and was an all around good biker bro, when that policy lead to many of their members going to prison after a couple federal undercovers infiltrated them they reacted and changed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I always figured the felony in thing was a myth since LE still manages to infiltrate them. And fuck the Mongols. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:38:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Non US Citizen Hell's Angels are barred from entering the US. But the NRA ect aren't criminal organizations..... |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:39:19 AM EDT
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Non US Citizen Hell's Angels are barred from entering the US. But the NRA ect aren't criminal organizations..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mongols may be bad guys, but this is damn scary, slippery slope shit. The D's get in full power, NRA members, ARFcom members, etc. Could easily have the same ruling screw us. But the NRA ect aren't criminal organizations..... |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:45:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I heard Outlaws are affiliated with H A You've never heard that, not once. I'm backing out of this thread, too many lies in here. |
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Posted: 1/12/2019 8:45:49 AM EDT
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Don't know anything bout MC gangs 'cept they never bothered me and I never bothered them (back in the day when I might stop in a random bar on a road trip)
Anyway, here are some maps I found. No idea how current or legit. 
Carry on then |
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