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Posted: 4/8/2019 10:11:19 AM EDT
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Not worth it guys. While he sits and types, I’m catching a plane to DC for court. But hey, it’s not a real fight. |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 10:14:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly I listed them because I can recall their commercials, and I have a few shirts from WWP runs I've participated in. You did get the general idea though. It is IMHO that any attempt to win anything while playing in their courts is a waste of time. Like the final call in the playoffs this year. No matter how wrong it is we are told to accept it. I have tried at the state level. I have picketted in front of Fl rep tom lees office, wrote, called, and all I can get is a phone call from him. Never a sit down meeting. They do not care about us. Either party. When the MSD bill was going on here in Fl I tried to participate with @miami_jbt, but he never once responded to me. I offered in threads, and by IM. So I began a one man fight against lee and galvano. |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 10:58:21 AM EDT
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With all due respect Sir, I have no praise for you based on performance. You are probably a great guy, but as far as praise goes.................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Look Marion, we did our best. It’s not over yet. Next time y’all meet for the second amendment coalition, make sure you take adequate minutes. 
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Posted: 4/8/2019 12:34:05 PM EDT
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Not worth it guys. While he sits and types, I’m catching a plane to DC for court. But hey, it’s not a real fight. 
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Posted: 4/8/2019 1:26:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly I listed them because I can recall their commercials, and I have a few shirts from WWP runs I've participated in. You did get the general idea though. It is IMHO that any attempt to win anything while playing in their courts is a waste of time. Like the final call in the playoffs this year. No matter how wrong it is we are told to accept it. I have tried at the state level. I have picketted in front of Fl rep tom lees office, wrote, called, and all I can get is a phone call from him. Never a sit down meeting. They do not care about us. Either party. When the MSD bill was going on here in Fl I tried to participate with @miami_jbt, but he never once responded to me. I offered in threads, and by IM. So I began a one man fight against lee and galvano. Dude, I honestly don't remember if you offered assistance. If you did and I fucked up I'm sorry. I'm willing to work with just about anyone that advances freedom. Honestly man, sorry if I never responded. |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 1:48:26 PM EDT
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So that means Kavanaugh denied as well? Wow much 2A, such conservative! |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 1:53:05 PM EDT
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Whether we agree or like what someone says is a fundamental idea of the US. If we begin kicking people out not for COC violations, instead because they criticized one who should not be criticized. Sounds like "some animals are more equal than others". Or exactly what does occur at the DU. Many of us discovered that while trolling them. Voicing an opinion invites criticism. As much as BRN is free to post some dumb shit, I am free to criticize that opinion. Normally, "you won't last long" refers to the trolls' and retreads' inability to comply with the Avila's standing rules for the freedom of association regarding posting on their website. You aren't saying that we shouldn't be free to criticize BRN's opinion, are you? |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 1:55:13 PM EDT
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Not worth it guys. While he sits and types, I’m catching a plane to DC for court. But hey, it’s not a real fight. By the way, thanks. I don't have a bump-fire stock in this fight... but now I want one. Spit in the eye, so to speak. |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 2:02:39 PM EDT
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Give them Hell Nolo! |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 5:35:25 PM EDT
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King Henry:
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more; Or close the wall up with our English dead. In peace there's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of war blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger. . . Henry V - Act 3, Scene 1 |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 5:46:00 PM EDT
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Post up the 2A court cases you have won.............I will wait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Look Marion, we did our best. It's not over yet. Next time y'all meet for the second amendment coalition, make sure you take adequate minutes. @BRN-180 |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 8:48:02 PM EDT
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No, its all about play calling. You use one strategy when you're in the opponents red-zone with a first and ten. You use a completely different strategy when you're on your own 1 yard line, with a 3rd and 20. Keep pretending that the conditions on the field don't matter. See how that goes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Oh give me a break. What I see is similar to that 80% plastic lowers company that got all of its customers' names vacuumed up by the Federal agencies a few years back. Or the California idiots that decided that programming the entire AR15 sequence into a CNC machine and having customers show up and press "start" should be considered self-builds. (Which resulted in California stomping gun owners with laws against self-built firearms). A small segment of gun owners are convincing themselves that a decade old gimmick / toy is so indispensable to freedom that common ownership of all semi-autos should be put at risk from the flack that will result from this legal battle. And the worst part of it is, anyone could have built a bump stock of their own (or something nearly equivalent) for decades. This only became an issue when some fly-by-night entrepreneurs decided to monetize the idea and get rich convincing people that there would really be no fall out creating an entire industry out of a loophole when its clear that Americans have never changed their animosity against machine guns / full auto fire. I'm a realist. Whether or not we agree on the "utility" of bump stocks is not the issue. The issue is that I'm right on the rest: There will NOT be a victory on bump stocks in the courts; and even if there were, the result will not increase freedom, but will result in "all the bad things" getting dumped into the resulting federal legislation: Serialized barrels; semi-autos banned if they don't have pneumatic rotary dampers on the triggers to delay trigger resets for .5 seconds between shots; ammo purchase and storage restrictions. ALL of which fuck us up much worse. There is a REASON the people at the NRA did their best to sweep bump stocks off the stage quietly and through administrative action rather than having the lunatics in Congress playing with new legislation. The NRA is pretty smart about this shit. We should give them some credit. Well, its air through the engine, the gambit has been played; we'll see whether gun owners and gun rights are better off or worse off in 5 years because of the great "bump stock" matters. I know what I think will happen. We will have to see. I fucking hate this mentality, especially when it's coupled with a little "I'm smarter than the rest of you, why can't you see that?" You use one strategy when you're in the opponents red-zone with a first and ten. You use a completely different strategy when you're on your own 1 yard line, with a 3rd and 20. Keep pretending that the conditions on the field don't matter. See how that goes. |
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Posted: 4/8/2019 11:56:06 PM EDT
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Agreed. Post them wins, boy. @BRN-180 |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 11:29:08 AM EDT
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This seems appropriate for the current discussion.
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. - Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776 |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 12:11:04 PM EDT
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This seems appropriate for the current discussion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
This seems appropriate for the current discussion. THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. - Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776 |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 3:23:50 PM EDT
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The retread needs dumped out on the curb, it's garbage day in ARFville. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. Post them wins, boy. @BRN-180 |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 4:08:57 PM EDT
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GO NOLO!!
I need that on a hat! Thank you for taking the fight to them. It takes a brave man to charge a hill knowing the odds are against him. Cowards sit at home and say its to steep don't even try..... |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 4:17:27 PM EDT
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nah. let him stay. i welcome his opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agreed. Post them wins, boy. @BRN-180 
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Posted: 4/9/2019 4:23:31 PM EDT
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NOLO kindly turned down my request for a 'cash card' with which he could use to acquire some 'beverage of his choice', as a Thank You.
The name of his firm has been mentioned here, Just Saying. NOLO, I'm not up on the Latin Legalese, however any attempt to 'Motion My Sub-Penis' will be in vain Precious Brother! Thanks For Fighting For US. This is only the Beginning Of The Assault On Our Rights. |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 4:26:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look Marion, we did our best. It’s not over yet. Next time y’all meet for the second amendment coalition, make sure you take adequate minutes. |
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Posted: 4/9/2019 4:41:05 PM EDT
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I really appreciate your efforts and fighting for all freedom loving citizens. Is this “it”? Is their a next step? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Look Marion, we did our best. It’s not over yet. Next time y’all meet for the second amendment coalition, make sure you take adequate minutes. Nolo worst case is holding the dam a little while longer before it breaks, best case sets the assholes back a few decades. I'm thankful for either. |
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Posted: 4/10/2019 12:25:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look Marion, we did our best. It’s not over yet. Next time y’all meet for the second amendment coalition, make sure you take adequate minutes. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:09:40 AM EDT
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Question, are the members of groups like the Madison Society Foundation still protected under a stay or whatever that legal clause/wording stated?
I feel like Forrest Gump trying to read and decipher all this legal stuff. In Forrest's voice, "I might not be a smart man NOLO but I know legal writing when I see it and I need help understanding it."
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Posted: 4/19/2019 9:25:46 AM EDT
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Question, are the members of groups like the Madison Society Foundation still protected under a stay or whatever that legal clause/wording stated? I feel like Forrest Gump trying to read and decipher all this legal stuff. In Forrest's voice, "I might not be a smart man NOLO but I know legal writing when I see it and I need help understanding it." |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 10:59:57 AM EDT
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To answer your question, NO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Question, are the members of groups like the Madison Society Foundation still protected under a stay or whatever that legal clause/wording stated? I feel like Forrest Gump trying to read and decipher all this legal stuff. In Forrest's voice, "I might not be a smart man NOLO but I know legal writing when I see it and I need help understanding it." |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:11:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So owning a bumpstock is illegal for everyone ? @Wangstang |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:18:15 AM EDT
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MAGA
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:21:12 AM EDT
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Something something "8 year assault on the 2A is over" something something......
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:37:50 AM EDT
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Is this a total dead end or are any of the cases going to be appealed up to SCOTUS? The stays were denied but that doesn't mean there can't be an appeal, right? What level of the court system is the case at anyway?
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Posted: 4/19/2019 12:07:42 PM EDT
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What level of the court system is the case at anyway? |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 2:05:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So owning a bumpstock is illegal for everyone ? @Wangstang |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 3:16:22 PM EDT
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Is this a total dead end or are any of the cases going to be appealed up to SCOTUS? The stays were denied but that doesn't mean there can't be an appeal, right? What level of the court system is the case at anyway? |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 3:35:05 PM EDT
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Heroin is now more legal than a piece of plastic shaped like a stock.
fucked up times we live in. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 3:40:42 PM EDT
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Will they be illegal in Civil War II?
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Posted: 4/19/2019 3:46:58 PM EDT
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Will they be illegal in Civil War II? |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 4:39:59 PM EDT
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Might depend on how long it can be kept up while waiting for the RBG clock to officially run out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this a total dead end or are any of the cases going to be appealed up to SCOTUS? The stays were denied but that doesn't mean there can't be an appeal, right? What level of the court system is the case at anyway? Any run on Febreze in DC lately? |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 7:12:41 PM EDT
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Pretty much the end of this year for rbg to go........... Any run on Febreze in DC lately? |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 11:49:29 PM EDT
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Heroin is now more legal than a piece of plastic shaped like a stock. fucked up times we live in. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 2:11:10 AM EDT
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Heroin is now more legal than a piece of plastic shaped like a stock. fucked up times we live in. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 2:31:47 AM EDT
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MAGA 
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Posted: 4/20/2019 2:51:35 AM EDT
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I don't see how the government has a leg to stand on. Yet here we are |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 3:06:37 AM EDT
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Might depend on how long it can be kept up while waiting for the RBG clock to officially run out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this a total dead end or are any of the cases going to be appealed up to SCOTUS? The stays were denied but that doesn't mean there can't be an appeal, right? What level of the court system is the case at anyway? No one wants to ever be part of the fight, Spectator Society is the downfall of this nation. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 3:25:48 AM EDT
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If you or anyone believes that the future of the constitutional republic hinges on when some old lady is gonna pass on, every citizen deserves the most brutal ass raping for being such cowards. No one wants to ever be part of the fight, Spectator Society is the downfall of this nation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is this a total dead end or are any of the cases going to be appealed up to SCOTUS? The stays were denied but that doesn't mean there can't be an appeal, right? What level of the court system is the case at anyway? No one wants to ever be part of the fight, Spectator Society is the downfall of this nation. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 5:46:18 AM EDT
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Not worth it guys. While he sits and types, I’m catching a plane to DC for court. But hey, it’s not a real fight. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 7:48:22 AM EDT
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I believe that technically speaking we're at the level where the courts say "Fuck your facts, your due process, takings clause, and the rest of your constitution, we say that ATF can say that anything is a machinegun and you'll comply!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What level of the court system is the case at anyway? The rule of law is dead. We are living in a banana Republic |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 7:59:21 AM EDT
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I did get my Madison Society membership card the other day
Keep up the awesome work Nolo ! |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 9:02:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you or anyone believes that the future of the constitutional republic hinges on when some old lady is gonna pass on, every citizen deserves the most brutal ass raping for being such cowards. No one wants to ever be part of the fight, Spectator Society is the downfall of this nation. No one going Leeroy Jenkins over bump stocks is going to be backed by the general public or even most of the 2A activist community. Time will come soon enough when virtually all semiautos will be on the block, at least to the level of preventing transfer to future generations. Perhaps more people will give a few shits by then. But the bumpstock is a lonely fight with too many "pro gun" neo fudds in the opposition. |
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Posted: 4/20/2019 9:19:38 AM EDT
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Slow down ace. The battle via courts isn't done yet. It doesn't look good based on them refusing the stay, but there is strategy in the hows and whenz of court cases. Given the general horror and loss or an alternative to an attempt at peaceful resolutions while they exisit, people are going to line up on that chance of peacable resolution first. No one going Leeroy Jenkins over bump stocks is going to be backed by the general public or even most of the 2A activist community. Time will come soon enough when virtually all semiautos will be on the block, at least to the level of preventing transfer to future generations. Perhaps more people will give a few shits by then. But the bumpstock is a lonely fight with too many "pro gun" neo fudds in the opposition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If you or anyone believes that the future of the constitutional republic hinges on when some old lady is gonna pass on, every citizen deserves the most brutal ass raping for being such cowards. No one wants to ever be part of the fight, Spectator Society is the downfall of this nation. No one going Leeroy Jenkins over bump stocks is going to be backed by the general public or even most of the 2A activist community. Time will come soon enough when virtually all semiautos will be on the block, at least to the level of preventing transfer to future generations. Perhaps more people will give a few shits by then. But the bumpstock is a lonely fight with too many "pro gun" neo fudds in the opposition. "We" pretty much roll over and take whatever the gov dishes out.Sure,there is a lot of bitching and complaining,but we inevitably move onto the acceptance phase and wait for the next screwing.And of course anyone that decides enough is enough and crosses the line is villified-like the story about the crabs in a bucket. In the meantime,the amount of laws,rules,mandates,requirements,etc.,continues to grow,and the size of government continues to grow as well to enforce all of it. Enjoy life-right now are the good ol days for the younger generations compared to what the future holds....
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Posted: 4/23/2019 11:27:20 PM EDT
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Not exactly. If you fall under the existing post 86 exceptions you could own one but you better have it registered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/23/2019 11:46:09 PM EDT
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Didn’t they reclassify the bumpstock itself THE machine gun? So none of them were made before 86. So you can’t own a machine gun made after 86, right? Unless your an SOT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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