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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:46:17 PM EDT
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Amzazingly it looks like there are firefighters inside the bell towers. There is a shot in the live feed that they go to on occasion that showed them. Brave is an understatement. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:46:20 PM EDT
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The anti-Christians don't get to antagonize Christians, and then criticize them for getting fed up. I wish more Christians would start pushing back. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:46:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone venture to guess the amount of heat inside the stone walls? Wow |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:46:36 PM EDT
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The French will grab every electronic communication in the past 24 hours. Compare that to lists of known radicals. If it was terrorism, they'll have the bad guys identified within 48 hours or so. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:46:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Disposable human beings. We all know what needs to be done with that Neanderthal culture, but we're not allowed to say it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:46:59 PM EDT
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nm..
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:47:13 PM EDT
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Unbelievable |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:47:14 PM EDT
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Says the californian. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And you lost yours without firing a shot. Glass houses and all that. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:48:17 PM EDT
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Drone shots just taken of the interior of the building from overhead; https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/3C471D9D-F95D-4313-8140-02E65A3CB358_jpeg-913602.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/0BB1DC8F-654F-4382-95D8-1C9F4B668FE7_jpeg-913610.JPG |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:48:21 PM EDT
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That doesn't mean they did it one way or the other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its a terror attack.. I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hadn't seen it yet, pretty incredible. looks like the stone vaulting of the roof has not collapsed yet. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:48:39 PM EDT
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Its a terror attack.. I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds. If some mosque was burning somewhere, I am sure 90% of the replies would be genuine concern for the loss of historical artifacts and culture and definitely wouldn't be "I'll have a coke" or similar things, right? Pot meet kettle. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:48:45 PM EDT
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You wouldve thought the Paris FD wouldve had some apparatus and such in place decades ago to take care of this sort of possible issue at one of their most important land marks...
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:48:48 PM EDT
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Drone shots just taken of the interior of the building from overhead; https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/3C471D9D-F95D-4313-8140-02E65A3CB358_jpeg-913602.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/0BB1DC8F-654F-4382-95D8-1C9F4B668FE7_jpeg-913610.JPG |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:48:59 PM EDT
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What the fuck does this thread have to do with Sweden or California JFC.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:49:03 PM EDT
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Even if you aren't religious, the scale and beauty of these buildings is impressive.
I have been in Saint Patricks in NYC a couple of times. It was awe inspiring. Interesting sidenote, someone (socialists) tried to blow that one up too. In 1913. The more things change, the more they stay the same. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:49:18 PM EDT
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Holy fuck.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:49:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI worked with a Parisian. He despised Muslims. He called them savage cavemen and said they were ruining Paris.
BTW, I'm not speculating on the cause of this fire, just the photo. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The old cathedrals use lead sheet roofing. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:49:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThank you for posting that. It gives me a much better perspective as opposed to what I was seeing on the OTH local TV channel.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:49:46 PM EDT
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The wife and I visited last year, I visited it twice when stationed in Europe. Wanted to take my children there. Beautiful doesnt describe the emotion when you were inside.
I admit, I wept when I saw the pictures of it engulfed in flames, the loss to humanity is just that great. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:49:59 PM EDT
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Edit not quote. Ugh.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:50:07 PM EDT
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The French will grab every electronic communication in the past 24 hours. Compare that to lists of known radicals. If it was terrorism, they'll have the bad guys identified within 48 hours or so. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:50:19 PM EDT
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Sure it sucks losing the structure from a historical and artistic aspect but the thing is old wood structures catch fire sooner or later for a multitude of reasons, it's almost a circle of life type of thing.
Maybe it will give way to France pulling it's head out it's collective ass and coming together as a nation to rebuild a icon of Western Civilization....At least we can hope. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:50:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had the chance to tour the Duomo di Milano in Italy, the cathedral was massive, hard to appreciate unless you are standing inside it. The woodwork and masonry was incredible, knowing it was all done by hand was hard to imagine. I think they said it took 400 years to build the cathedral in Milan and all it's surrounding buildings. Notre Dame took 200 years to build. It's hard for us to fathom that generations of craftsmen worked on those cathedrals. People literally worked their entire lives and never saw the completed building. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:50:44 PM EDT
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Will you stop agitating? Cuz you are trying to agitate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: And you lost yours without firing a shot. Glass houses and all that. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:50:52 PM EDT
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Lol....because no one here would ever do such a thing if the situation were reverse. If some mosque was burning somewhere, I am sure 90% of the replies would be genuine concern for the loss of historical artifacts and culture and definitely wouldn't be "I'll have a coke" or similar things, right? Pot meet kettle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its a terror attack.. I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds. If some mosque was burning somewhere, I am sure 90% of the replies would be genuine concern for the loss of historical artifacts and culture and definitely wouldn't be "I'll have a coke" or similar things, right? Pot meet kettle. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:51:05 PM EDT
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Imagine you were a worker inside and it was something you did...
Like cutting metal and spark catching some oily rags on fire/immediately getting out of control? Imagine the guilt. To give you an idea of the history... When Napoleon coronation at Notre Dame took place, it was already 600 years old!
Napolean's coronation is incredibly recent in terms of Notre Dame's age. The amount of time between then and now represents less than 25% of the cathedral's existence. It was built in 1163, one year after Genghis Khan's birth (or at least our best guess of his birth). Notre Dame predated Marco Polo and the founding of the Ottoman Empire by more than a century. It predates the creation of Islam. At the time of its construction, the best estimates for the global population are ~300 million (less than the current population of the United States). The cathedral was almost 200 years old when the Black Death destroyed a third of the world's population. The USA is currently younger than Notre Dame was when the Forbidden City was constructed in Beijing. It was 3 centuries old when Machu Picchu was built and Leonardo Da Vinci was born. It was over 400 years old when Shakespeare's Globe Theatre was built. It predated the original King James Version of the Bible by 450 years. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:51:06 PM EDT
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I don’t know why the hell they would celebrate on a Monday but we are now in Holy Week |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:51:25 PM EDT
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What a tragedy. Beautiful building that my family had the chance to visit a few times. A piece of history gone. I hope it was indeed an accident and not something worse. We can't make it not gone. So...I hope it was an attack and maybe it will wake some people the fuck up. At least then the tragedy, and I'm devastated, I loved that place, might not be in vain. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:51:26 PM EDT
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The French will grab every electronic communication in the past 24 hours. Compare that to lists of known radicals. If it was terrorism, they'll have the bad guys identified within 48 hours or so. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:51:32 PM EDT
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holy fuck
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:51:47 PM EDT
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I hadn't seen it yet, pretty incredible. looks like the stone vaulting of the roof has not collapsed yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:52:09 PM EDT
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so much history and art gone
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:52:14 PM EDT
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Not confident that, if it was jihad, that the French Gov't would be honest with the people about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The French will grab every electronic communication in the past 24 hours. Compare that to lists of known radicals. If it was terrorism, they'll have the bad guys identified within 48 hours or so. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:52:48 PM EDT
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Wow, that's legitimately terrifying. Now I get why French authorities are saying they might not be able to save it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Now I get why French authorities are saying they might not be able to save it. This is a photo of the top of a vault in Salisbury Cathedral, which was constructed around the time Notre Dame was with similar techniques. The piece of lumber you see in the top left of the photo is of a wood truss from the roof, the sloped structure taking up most of the photo is stone that makes up the interior vaulted ceiling. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:52:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryJesus.
(No pun intended) |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:52:59 PM EDT
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This loss is incalculable. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:53:08 PM EDT
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Merde’s on fire, yo.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:53:10 PM EDT
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Not confident that, if it was jihad, that the French Gov't would be honest with the people about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The French will grab every electronic communication in the past 24 hours. Compare that to lists of known radicals. If it was terrorism, they'll have the bad guys identified within 48 hours or so. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:53:31 PM EDT
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You wouldve thought the Paris FD wouldve had some apparatus and such in place decades ago to take care of this sort of possible issue at one of their most important land marks... |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:53:43 PM EDT
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Tragic.
It was an incredible, and historic, structure. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:54:06 PM EDT
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When a bunch of Europeans move to Saudi Arabia and start setting mosques on fire, your metaphor might have validity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its a terror attack.. I'm seeing smiling arabs on twitter and other feeds. If some mosque was burning somewhere, I am sure 90% of the replies would be genuine concern for the loss of historical artifacts and culture and definitely wouldn't be "I'll have a coke" or similar things, right? Pot meet kettle. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:54:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:54:32 PM EDT
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Not confident that, if it was jihad, that the French Gov't would be honest with the people about it. Acknowledgement of an act of terrorism would put LePen in (which woild be a good thing for France) or plunge the country and possibly all of Europe into open warfare. With the exception of a few Eastern European countries, everyone else has been dumped on by their governments for decades now. It would be a religious war with even nonbelievers joining in against a common enemy. See if other historical treasures get their security kicked up a notch. Regardless, this is one of the greatest losses in history. Just hard to grasp what is going up in smoke. |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:54:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This photo actually provides some relief. The stone vaulting that makes up the ceiling of the cathedral has not collapsed, meaning it's possible most of the damage from the burning roof has not made its way into the actual church. This is a photo of the top of a vault in Salisbury Cathedral, which was constructed around the time Notre Dame was with similar techniques. The piece of lumber you see in the top left of the photo is of a wood truss from the roof, the sloped structure taking up most of the photo is stone that makes up the interior vaulted ceiling. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Salisbury_Cathedral%2C_top_of_vaulted_ceiling_over_nave.jpg/2560px-Salisbury_Cathedral%2C_top_of_vaulted_ceiling_over_nave.jpg |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:55:07 PM EDT
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Drone shots just taken of the interior of the building from overhead; https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/3C471D9D-F95D-4313-8140-02E65A3CB358_jpeg-913602.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/227373/0BB1DC8F-654F-4382-95D8-1C9F4B668FE7_jpeg-913610.JPG |
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:55:09 PM EDT
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They have detailed laser mapping of the entire structure so at least they have that covered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I wonder if the original plans still exist so it can be rebuilt exactly.  In, theory . . . it could actually be 3D Printed . . . if you could build a printer large enough. 
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Posted: 4/15/2019 4:55:15 PM EDT
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Probably lots of stuff on the job site suitable for starting a fire. Perfect way to breach such a secured site. Often renovation crews get overlooked by security. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I’m sure every Muslim worker on the jobsite was frisked daily for any means of starting a fire too. I’m Not saying it’s not possible it wasn’t just an accident. |
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