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Posted: 9/24/2019 4:54:57 PM EDT
[#1]
AUG if you have to buy one first. You can revel in the pure, sweet Austrianness of it.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 4:55:44 PM EDT
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Could you expound on that a bit? I could get another DSA FAL or a SCAR insrtead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly neither, but if you absolutely had to have one: AUG. get a NATO stock. It is probably the best and most successful bullpup rifle ever made. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 4:55:46 PM EDT
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AUG
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Posted: 9/24/2019 4:58:30 PM EDT
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This thing is entirely ambi and has a nice trigger from the factory. Also suppresses well- https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/dw/image/v2/BDCK_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-ctd-master-catalog/default/dwe4e379bf/large/29867.jpg?sw=800&sh=800 
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Posted: 9/24/2019 5:02:25 PM EDT
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AUG +1
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Posted: 9/24/2019 5:03:43 PM EDT
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I love my 2 Travor SAR’s what can an Aug do better then a SAR with Geissele trigger and parts from manticore arms and MWI I would imagine the Tavor 7 will have a big aftermarket following as well. Plus isn’t IWI supposed to be releasing a 20” 308 1/10 barrel eventually or was that just rumor?
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Posted: 9/24/2019 5:04:36 PM EDT
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What about the AUG do you like better than the RDB besides the track record? I have 2 AUGS and had 3 Tavors in the past. The RDB seems to be leagues ahead, IMO. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 5:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reliability track record of the AUG over the RDB is a big thing, but in other issues, I don’t like that the RDB doesn’t have any markings on the gas adjustment knob, so going back to a previous position means either counting turns from the stop, or making marks. Also don’t like not being able to easily check or access the chamber if there is a problem. Also prefer the ease of the AUG disassembly, especially the barrel removal. On the RDB, you have to pull a bunch of pins, many of which can be tight. As for the gas block I agree but it doesn't seem to be a problem. You could easily mark it. The AUG barrel does come out easily but at the expense of weight and how often does one need to rapidly remove a barrel? |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 5:34:51 PM EDT
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I like the bullpup concept, and would like one. But I really don't care for any of the offerings out there. I like the look of the RFB the best, but, Kel Tec.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:14:00 PM EDT
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Don't freak out, but it's a Kel Tec RDB. Fully ambi 5.56 bullpup, downward ejection like a P90, suppressed extremely well due to the gas block, accurate, nice trigger, lightweight, etc. I swear if another manufacturer like Ruger for example made this thing 100% identical just about everyone would want one. The price is right too at $800~ |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:22:21 PM EDT
[#11]
AUG
I had both. Still have the AUG |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:26:32 PM EDT
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Don't freak out, but it's a Kel Tec RDB. Fully ambi 5.56 bullpup, downward ejection like a P90, suppressed extremely well due to the gas block, accurate, nice trigger, lightweight, etc. I swear if another manufacturer like Ruger for example made this thing 100% identical just about everyone would want one. The price is right too at $800~ Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Since we've already established in this thread that I'm slow on the uptake today, what, pray tell, is that? Fully ambi 5.56 bullpup, downward ejection like a P90, suppressed extremely well due to the gas block, accurate, nice trigger, lightweight, etc. I swear if another manufacturer like Ruger for example made this thing 100% identical just about everyone would want one. The price is right too at $800~ |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:44:12 PM EDT
[#13]
Aug! NATO for me.
But get a file after the safety or it will cut you like one of those crazy mexican girlfriends they tell stories about. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:45:57 PM EDT
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Trigger will never be like an AR but more consistent than Tavor. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:50:11 PM EDT
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Easy, get the AUG. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:52:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You probably already know this, but the Aug with the NATO stock will accept either the Aug mags or the NATO standard 5.56 mags. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:54:02 PM EDT
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The RDB actually has a "peephole" that allows you to easily check the chamber. As for the gas block I agree but it doesn't seem to be a problem. You could easily mark it. The AUG barrel does come out easily but at the expense of weight and how often does one need to rapidly remove a barrel? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The reliability track record of the AUG over the RDB is a big thing, but in other issues, I don’t like that the RDB doesn’t have any markings on the gas adjustment knob, so going back to a previous position means either counting turns from the stop, or making marks. Also don’t like not being able to easily check or access the chamber if there is a problem. Also prefer the ease of the AUG disassembly, especially the barrel removal. On the RDB, you have to pull a bunch of pins, many of which can be tight. As for the gas block I agree but it doesn't seem to be a problem. You could easily mark it. The AUG barrel does come out easily but at the expense of weight and how often does one need to rapidly remove a barrel? |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:54:57 PM EDT
[#18]
Another vote for the RDB, if for no other reason other than that it suppresses way better than either an AUG or Tavor.
It's lighter too. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 6:58:04 PM EDT
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Welcome to the party pal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd pick an AUG because Christmas will be here before we know it.  |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:01:39 PM EDT
[#20]
I disliked my AUG less than I disliked my Tavor.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:05:25 PM EDT
[#21]
Are you kidding me? AUG all the way, 40 years of unfailing performance.
Plus sexy as HELL !!!! 
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:07:37 PM EDT
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I did not know that. Thanks! How do I know if it has a NATO stock? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You probably already know this, but the Aug with the NATO stock will accept either the Aug mags or the NATO standard 5.56 mags. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:10:07 PM EDT
[#23]
AUG.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:10:17 PM EDT
[#24]
AUG
I bet would be a lot more accurate and has a proven history of excellent performance. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:12:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAm I the only one that thinks “Boy those country’s of origin sure are interesting...” |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 7:33:46 PM EDT
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You probably already know this, but the Aug with the NATO stock will accept either the Aug mags or the NATO standard 5.56 mags. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:01:48 PM EDT
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i have both. i prefer the x95.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:07:42 PM EDT
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It is probably the best and most successful bullpup rifle ever made. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:13:37 PM EDT
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the Aug with the NATO stock will accept either the Aug mags or the NATO standard 5.56 mags. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:32:21 PM EDT
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AUG...I'll never buy another Kel Tec....they produce garbage.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 8:46:36 PM EDT
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AUG...I'll never buy another Kel Tec....they produce garbage. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:26:27 PM EDT
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This is incorrect Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the Aug with the NATO stock will accept either the Aug mags or the NATO standard 5.56 mags. Here is a link. https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/steyr-aug-a3-m1 |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:34:01 PM EDT
[#33]
I definitely can’t fit aug mags in my NATO stock. Well, I can probably force them.
Read what you just quoted. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:40:43 PM EDT
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I'll have to take a closer look then.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:41:43 PM EDT
[#35]
$2000+ I'd get an SR15 Mod 2, unless you already have one.
For a bullpup, a Tavor SAR in 5.56, the old configuration. Either that, or the AUG A3... Whichever you can get cheaper. I see three AUG's for sale locally, cheaper than any Tavor... Including a NATO stock one for a flat $1000.  I'm honestly considering picking that up...
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:43:02 PM EDT
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$2000+ I'd get an SR15 Mod 2, unless you already have one. For a bullpup, a Tavor SAR in 5.56, the old configuration. Either that, or the AUG A3... Whichever you can get cheaper. I see three AUG's for sale locally, cheaper than any Tavor... Including a NATO stock one for a flat $1000. I'm honestly considering picking that up... |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:43:14 PM EDT
[#37]
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$2000+ I'd get an SR15 Mod 2, unless you already have one. For a bullpup, a Tavor SAR in 5.56, the old configuration. Either that, or the AUG A3... Whichever you can get cheaper. I see three AUG's for sale locally, cheaper than any Tavor... Including a NATO stock one for a flat $1000. I'm honestly considering picking that up... |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:45:29 PM EDT
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Standard stock takes AUG mags or Aug Pmags
NATO stock take AR patern mags Neither interchange with each other. You can however swap stocks, so you can go from AUG mag to AR mag. The mag well/compatibility is in the stock not the receiver. Quote HistoryQuoted: IT is correct. Here is a quote from the STEYR ARMS website, " The rifle is available in either the standard version that accepts genuine Steyr AUG magazines or as a NATO version that accepts standard STANAG (AR) magazines." Here is a link. https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/steyr-aug-a3-m1 |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:46:19 PM EDT
[#39]
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Standard stock takes AUG mags or Aug Pmags NATO stock take AR patern mags Neither interchange with each other. You can however swap stocks, so you can go from AUG mag to AR mag. The mag well/compatibility is in the stock not the receiver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Standard stock takes AUG mags or Aug Pmags NATO stock take AR patern mags Neither interchange with each other. You can however swap stocks, so you can go from AUG mag to AR mag. The mag well/compatibility is in the stock not the receiver. Quoted: IT is correct. Here is a quote from the STEYR ARMS website, " The rifle is available in either the standard version that accepts genuine Steyr AUG magazines or as a NATO version that accepts standard STANAG (AR) magazines." Here is a link. https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/steyr-aug-a3-m1  . Not sure what that guy has done to make them
Work, but I’d like to know! |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:51:18 PM EDT
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Those are some good prices Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$2000+ I'd get an SR15 Mod 2, unless you already have one. For a bullpup, a Tavor SAR in 5.56, the old configuration. Either that, or the AUG A3... Whichever you can get cheaper. I see three AUG's for sale locally, cheaper than any Tavor... Including a NATO stock one for a flat $1000. I'm honestly considering picking that up...But, it's Armslist... So it might turn out to be a scam like the SR15 ad I saw awhile back. 
There were a couple other AUG's at $1400 and $1500, as well. Cheapest SAR was around $1600. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 9:54:25 PM EDT
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Mmhm. Already messaged the dude, hope to get a response soon. But, it's Armslist... So it might turn out to be a scam like the SR15 ad I saw awhile back.
There were a couple other AUG's at $1400 and $1500, as well. Cheapest SAR was around $1600. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$2000+ I'd get an SR15 Mod 2, unless you already have one. For a bullpup, a Tavor SAR in 5.56, the old configuration. Either that, or the AUG A3... Whichever you can get cheaper. I see three AUG's for sale locally, cheaper than any Tavor... Including a NATO stock one for a flat $1000. I'm honestly considering picking that up...But, it's Armslist... So it might turn out to be a scam like the SR15 ad I saw awhile back.
There were a couple other AUG's at $1400 and $1500, as well. Cheapest SAR was around $1600. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 10:05:51 PM EDT
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Aug or crappy knockoff aug? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$2000+ I'd get an SR15 Mod 2, unless you already have one. For a bullpup, a Tavor SAR in 5.56, the old configuration. Either that, or the AUG A3... Whichever you can get cheaper. I see three AUG's for sale locally, cheaper than any Tavor... Including a NATO stock one for a flat $1000. I'm honestly considering picking that up...But, it's Armslist... So it might turn out to be a scam like the SR15 ad I saw awhile back.
There were a couple other AUG's at $1400 and $1500, as well. Cheapest SAR was around $1600. Steyr markings on the receiver, just behind the gas plug. It's local, so I'll have in in hand to inspect before buying. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 10:06:16 PM EDT
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I definitely can’t fit aug mags in my NATO stock. Well, I can probably force them. Read what you just quoted. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 10:16:27 PM EDT
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Obviously we have a disconnect somewhere. The Aug I bought a couple of months ago came with PMAGS and I bought a couple of the MAGPUL Aug mags. Both fit fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I definitely can’t fit aug mags in my NATO stock. Well, I can probably force them. Read what you just quoted. Standard Pmags came with it, or the Steyr-pattern Pmags? Tried USGI? Those might lock in to an original stock, but I doubt they would feed. Steyr mags shouldn't even fit in a STANAG magwell... The NATO stock is not supposed to accept Steyr mags. If it does with Magpul's Steyr-pattern mag, then I have no idea what to tell you, it's an interesting coincidence, or an intentional feature of the mag. The original stock will not accept STANAG mags, otherwise, the NATO stock never would've come about. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 10:20:29 PM EDT
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I guess I am the only person here who thinks the Aug is fugly as shit.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 10:46:01 PM EDT
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I have a STG77 SA, it is amazingly accurate, if you can see it you can hit it. Balance is where you want it. I looked at the Tavor and it was heavier to the rear.
That said, Steyr does not really care about you or what you want. That does matter. I love my AUG, but wish they cared more about the people that want their product in the US. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 10:56:44 PM EDT
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The AUG's 30 yr history speaks for itself.
That said, I think IWI did good on the T7. 
These guys did a nice review:  Tavor 7: 7.62x51 Bullpup My only holdout on the T7 is I keep hoping Beretta will find it in its plans to release a semi ARX-200. But barring, then the T7 will be the .308 cal that goes in my collection. Alas, I'm not an early adopter, so I also want to see how it wrings out. |
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Posted: 9/24/2019 11:05:05 PM EDT
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Doc I’ve had both the Aug with NATO stock and the tavor. I kept the tavor and got rid of the aug. aug felt dated and ergonomics weren’t as good. I really like the tavor especially suppressed. It balances very nicely.
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Posted: 9/24/2019 11:06:32 PM EDT
[#49]
Yes
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Posted: 9/24/2019 11:06:38 PM EDT
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AUG
Was certainly higher on my list than the tavor |
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