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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:00:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
I like death blow |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:00:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: I think it's definitely true that it was the B team (or C team) on duty. This is not a surprise, at all. It was less than 48 hours from the start of the Republicans convention. I'm certain this will be listed as a root cause in the investigation. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:00:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MyName1sMud: Read that his father was a hardcore democrat. something doesnt math Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MyName1sMud: Originally Posted By TaskForce: Apparently he went to the range with his dad a lot. Read that his father was a hardcore democrat. something doesnt math From everything I’ve seen his parents were conservative and neighbors have stated they had Trump signs in their yard. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:00:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MyName1sMud: Read that his father was a hardcore democrat. something doesnt math Gun ownership doesn't really define your average person's politics. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:01:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: From everything I’ve seen his parents were conservative and neighbors have stated they had Trump signs in their yard. I've never been to Butler but I assume it's a fairly conservative place. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:02:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Oh Jeezz....that will piss off the world citizen globohomo fake Conservative Internationalists. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:03:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:03:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtdhw: This must be that pic, which was out very early on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG Dude good call. Arf is piecing it together. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:03:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Apparently he went to the range with his dad a lot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By X-CaptHook: For some retarded kid that allegedly didn’t know what he was doing, and was a terrible shot, bringing a rangefinder seems a bit interesting. Apparently he went to the range with his dad a lot. they went to a 200yd range. rangefinder not really needed, IMO |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:05:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tyvar]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrinningDag: Just ignore him. "I know stuff but I won't tell you" is a classic post by people that want to boost their social clout. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrinningDag: Just ignore him. "I know stuff but I won't tell you" is a classic post by people that want to boost their social clout. Except he basically did tell us what happened. Re-read the following exchange, I've added the emphisis to bring out the context: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By RainierV: [ All the indications I'm seeing are emblematic of a lack of resources and poor execution (which also may be due to lack of resources). My question mark is whether the protection plan itself was deficient, or if the plan had deficiencies and was poorly executed due to manpower issues. The White House and USSS is saying they had sufficient resources. So, they are either lying or the plan was deficient and poorly executed. Get all three. He is saying the below is all true 1. The white House is lying, they were deficient of resources. 2. The protection plan was deficient 3. the deficient protection plan was then additionally poorly executed. He's saying it was a clusterfuck without explicitly telling us exactly what happened. The counter argument to "it wasn't a inside job" is that it wasn't a inside job by those that were on the ground there that day. The inside job part happened all the way at part 1. To go back to swiss cheese analogy that's used in incident analysis - what made this a inside job is the white house has been making sure that trump has been given the slices with the most holes in the hope they would line up like they damn near did Saturday. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:06:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tyvar: Except he basically did tell us what happened. Re-read the following exchange, I've added the emphisis to bring out the context: He is saying the below is all true 1. The white House is lying, they were deficient of resources. 2. The protection plan was deficient 3. the deficient protection plan was then additionally poorly executed. He's saying it was a clusterfuck without explicitly telling us exactly what happened. The counter argument to "it was a inside job" is that it wasn't a inside job by those that were on the ground there that day. The inside the job started all the way at part 1. To go back to swiss cheese analogy that's used in incident analysis - what made this a inside job is the white house has been making sure that trump has been given the slices with the most holes in the hope they would line up like they damn near did Saturday. Well said. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:07:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Man, I hope so. I like to hear villains talk about their own demise. 
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: I don't get why the shooter didn't dress to look more like the cops. Because he was dressing to look like his enemy. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:08:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: That picture appears to be taken from an elevated position. Wasn’t that building he was on top of only 1 story? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Originally Posted By Gtdhw: Originally Posted By Chokey: here's the entire thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html Stunning new details from @CBSNews on how secret service snipers noticed the shooter before the Trump rally in Butler, PA on Saturday. There were three snipers stationed INSIDE the building the shooter was on, according to a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge. One of the snipers inside saw Crooks outside looking up at the roof observing the building and then disappeared, according to local law enforcement. Then Crooks came back, sat down and was looking on his phone and at that point one of the snipers took a picture of him. Then Crooks took out a range finder and the sniper radio-ed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building. Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof. By the time other officers came for backup he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building. Two other officers who heard the sniper’s call came and tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene. But that time a secret service sniper had already killed Crooks, according to the law enforcement officer. The officer said also Crooks had an IED in his pocket in addition to the explosive materials in his car. Questions remain about HOW this was possible that several law enforcement officers had eyes on the shooter before and reported his behavior... yet this still happened. This must be that pic, which was out very early on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG That picture appears to be taken from an elevated position. Wasn’t that building he was on top of only 1 story? If he was sitting on the curb, and the pic was taken from a standup position from a close floor level window, I can see it. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:08:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: they went to a 200yd range. rangefinder not really needed, IMO Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By X-CaptHook: For some retarded kid that allegedly didn’t know what he was doing, and was a terrible shot, bringing a rangefinder seems a bit interesting. Apparently he went to the range with his dad a lot. they went to a 200yd range. rangefinder not really needed, IMO Clairton does have a 300 yard range, but you shoot across a road that has to be closed when its used, so useage is limited to High Power matches. I've only shot there 3 or 4 time because that range gets stupid hot during the summer. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:11:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Man, I hope so. I like to hear villains talk about their own demise. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By RSG:
Man, I hope so. I like to hear villains talk about their own demise. Though I wouldn't take lizard man's word for it and globohomo should be rooted out and destroyed wherever found . |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:11:57 AM EDT
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You know, with the Biden administration it's pretty hard to differentiate between incompetence and foul play.
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:13:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtdhw: If he was sitting on the curb, and the pic was taken from a standup position from a close floor level window, I can see it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtdhw: Originally Posted By WUPHF: Originally Posted By Gtdhw: Originally Posted By Chokey: here's the entire thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html Stunning new details from @CBSNews on how secret service snipers noticed the shooter before the Trump rally in Butler, PA on Saturday. There were three snipers stationed INSIDE the building the shooter was on, according to a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge. One of the snipers inside saw Crooks outside looking up at the roof observing the building and then disappeared, according to local law enforcement. Then Crooks came back, sat down and was looking on his phone and at that point one of the snipers took a picture of him. Then Crooks took out a range finder and the sniper radio-ed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building. Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof. By the time other officers came for backup he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building. Two other officers who heard the sniper’s call came and tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene. But that time a secret service sniper had already killed Crooks, according to the law enforcement officer. The officer said also Crooks had an IED in his pocket in addition to the explosive materials in his car. Questions remain about HOW this was possible that several law enforcement officers had eyes on the shooter before and reported his behavior... yet this still happened. This must be that pic, which was out very early on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG That picture appears to be taken from an elevated position. Wasn’t that building he was on top of only 1 story? If he was sitting on the curb, and the pic was taken from a standup position from a close floor level window, I can see it. Certainly plausible. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:13:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: You know, with the Biden administration it's pretty hard to differentiate between incompetence and foul play. 🌎some are unwilling some are unable some are both |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:13:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: You know, with the Biden administration it's pretty hard to differentiate between incompetence and foul play. 🌎 |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:14:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Clairton does have a 300 yard range, but you shoot across a road that has to be closed when its used, so useage is limited to High Power matches. I've only shot there 3 or 4 time because that range gets stupid hot during the summer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By X-CaptHook: For some retarded kid that allegedly didn’t know what he was doing, and was a terrible shot, bringing a rangefinder seems a bit interesting. Apparently he went to the range with his dad a lot. they went to a 200yd range. rangefinder not really needed, IMO Clairton does have a 300 yard range, but you shoot across a road that has to be closed when its used, so useage is limited to High Power matches. I've only shot there 3 or 4 time because that range gets stupid hot during the summer. Wait, Clairton Sportsman's Club? This fucker was a member there? I like that club, even the 187 yard rifle range lol. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:15:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: Again. I don't answer to you. And you know it. Doesn't it piss you the fuck off?  you are doin yourself no favors here. Viper is a damn good dude and yet you appear to have called him a plant then been too lame to either back up your statement or retract it; seriously, you look dumb and your troll job is shit. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:17:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtdhw: If he was sitting on the curb, and the pic was taken from a standup position from a close floor level window, I can see it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtdhw: Originally Posted By WUPHF: Originally Posted By Gtdhw: Originally Posted By Chokey: here's the entire thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html Stunning new details from @CBSNews on how secret service snipers noticed the shooter before the Trump rally in Butler, PA on Saturday. There were three snipers stationed INSIDE the building the shooter was on, according to a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge. One of the snipers inside saw Crooks outside looking up at the roof observing the building and then disappeared, according to local law enforcement. Then Crooks came back, sat down and was looking on his phone and at that point one of the snipers took a picture of him. Then Crooks took out a range finder and the sniper radio-ed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building. Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof. By the time other officers came for backup he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building. Two other officers who heard the sniper’s call came and tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene. But that time a secret service sniper had already killed Crooks, according to the law enforcement officer. The officer said also Crooks had an IED in his pocket in addition to the explosive materials in his car. Questions remain about HOW this was possible that several law enforcement officers had eyes on the shooter before and reported his behavior... yet this still happened. This must be that pic, which was out very early on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG That picture appears to be taken from an elevated position. Wasn’t that building he was on top of only 1 story? If he was sitting on the curb, and the pic was taken from a standup position from a close floor level window, I can see it. …or it could’ve somehow been this wall he returned to and sat down? I don’t know.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:19:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tyvar: Except he basically did tell us what happened. Re-read the following exchange, I've added the emphisis to bring out the context: He is saying the below is all true 1. The white House is lying, they were deficient of resources. 2. The protection plan was deficient 3. the deficient protection plan was then additionally poorly executed. He's saying it was a clusterfuck without explicitly telling us exactly what happened. The counter argument to "it wasn't a inside job" is that it wasn't a inside job by those that were on the ground there that day. The inside job part happened all the way at part 1. To go back to swiss cheese analogy that's used in incident analysis - what made this a inside job is the white house has been making sure that trump has been given the slices with the most holes in the hope they would line up like they damn near did Saturday. I'm with the Canadian sniper. There were holes everywhere, but I don't see how an idiot kid just shows up and wanders through them all perfectly. The odds are just not there. Somehow, he had to have been led through those holes. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:19:48 AM EDT
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Things with this kid just keep not falling into any patterns. Unlike most schizos this kid was employed as a "nutrition specialist" at a retirement home. Meaning he fed old people for a living. The his coworkers and employers actually spoke very well of him and evidently he had very good job performance and displayed lots of patience will the old codgers - that's not something a schizo 20 year old does.
I've never believed in MKULTRA conspiracy shit before but damn if this isn't making me go hmmm. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:19:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Riflenoob]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: Dude good call. Arf is piecing it together. @Gtdhw @Norsk Think this is where he was, and where photo was taken? I do not see other things in street view like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8586539,-79.9713066,3a,53.2y,127.7h,94.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DrNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D127.69869270542372%26pitch%3D-4.329565154477137%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu   Attached File |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:20:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: xviperx420]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jasonm4: Wait, Clairton Sportsman's Club? This fucker was a member there? I like that club, even the 187 yard rifle range lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jasonm4: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By X-CaptHook: For some retarded kid that allegedly didn’t know what he was doing, and was a terrible shot, bringing a rangefinder seems a bit interesting. Apparently he went to the range with his dad a lot. they went to a 200yd range. rangefinder not really needed, IMO Clairton does have a 300 yard range, but you shoot across a road that has to be closed when its used, so useage is limited to High Power matches. I've only shot there 3 or 4 time because that range gets stupid hot during the summer. Wait, Clairton Sportsman's Club? This fucker was a member there? I like that club, even the 187 yard rifle range lol. Ding ding ding. The old man was anyway. The kid grew up around guns, and even though he didn't place on the rifle team doesnt mean he couldnt shoot. We have minor shooters here that are scary good, with some shooting at Camp Perry every year. I know a few. Everyone keeps thinking this kid was an idiot just based on how he looks. He wasnt dumb. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:20:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 50cal]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Good. And fuck Klaus Schwab too. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:21:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2T2_Crash: you are doin yourself no favors here. Viper is a damn good dude and yet you appear to have called him a plant then been too lame to either back up your statement or retract it; seriously, you look dumb and your troll job is shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2T2_Crash: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Again. I don't answer to you. And you know it. Doesn't it piss you the fuck off? you are doin yourself no favors here. Viper is a damn good dude and yet you appear to have called him a plant then been too lame to either back up your statement or retract it; seriously, you look dumb and your troll job is shit. With everything that's been going on in this world in the last 'bunch' of years... It's a little early to claim that this isn't an 'inside job'. Don't you think. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:22:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: Thanks for the help. This is all I'm basing the red dot claim on. It's hard to make out, maybe I'm imagining it, but there's definitely nothing big enough to be magnified there. I'm going with micro red dot. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285822/Screenshot_20240715_224618_Gallery_jpg-3268102.JPG Or one of the newer Primary Arms sights. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:22:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: here's the entire thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html Stunning new details from @CBSNews on how secret service snipers noticed the shooter before the Trump rally in Butler, PA on Saturday. There were three snipers stationed INSIDE the building the shooter was on, according to a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge. One of the snipers inside saw Crooks outside looking up at the roof observing the building and then disappeared, according to local law enforcement. Then Crooks came back, sat down and was looking on his phone and at that point one of the snipers took a picture of him. Then Crooks took out a range finder and the sniper radio-ed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building. Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof. By the time other officers came for backup he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building. Two other officers who heard the sniper's call came and tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene. But that time a secret service sniper had already killed Crooks, according to the law enforcement officer. The officer said also Crooks had an IED in his pocket in addition to the explosive materials in his car. Questions remain about HOW this was possible that several law enforcement officers had eyes on the shooter before and reported his behavior... yet this still happened. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By RSG: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSk1MVYWsAAVLQ-?format=jpg&name=small here's the entire thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html Stunning new details from @CBSNews on how secret service snipers noticed the shooter before the Trump rally in Butler, PA on Saturday. There were three snipers stationed INSIDE the building the shooter was on, according to a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge. One of the snipers inside saw Crooks outside looking up at the roof observing the building and then disappeared, according to local law enforcement. Then Crooks came back, sat down and was looking on his phone and at that point one of the snipers took a picture of him. Then Crooks took out a range finder and the sniper radio-ed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building. Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof. By the time other officers came for backup he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building. Two other officers who heard the sniper's call came and tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene. But that time a secret service sniper had already killed Crooks, according to the law enforcement officer. The officer said also Crooks had an IED in his pocket in addition to the explosive materials in his car. Questions remain about HOW this was possible that several law enforcement officers had eyes on the shooter before and reported his behavior... yet this still happened.  |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:23:10 AM EDT
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Sounds like the local police were allowed to get out of the sun earlier in the afternoon. But when Trump came out to speak, no one radioed the locals to get out and get back into position.
I'd have some tough questions for the SS Agent in charge of the venue. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:23:26 AM EDT
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Which page has the overhead view with the SS and LEO Sniper Positions marked relative to Trump and the shooter?
Maybe just re-post it on every page, or every once in a while? Thread is moving fast even still. 
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:24:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: With everything that's been going on in this world in the last 'bunch' of years... It's a little early to claim that this isn't an 'inside job'. Don't you think. It's a little early to really claim anything. And I truly believe we'll never really know. This is going to be talked about for a long time. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:24:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: Brain dump for those catching up - others please correct any old info -After shooter was on the roof and noticed by civilians a cop gained a foothold on the roof, but lost his balance and fell after the shooter pointed his rifle his way. Confirmed by police. This part is not on video -Logically the rooftop slope kept the shooter out of the LOS of SS counter snipers until he crested the center of the roof, as all these buildings/structures appear to be about the same height. - Snipers were apparently INSIDE the building he climbed onto. -Rifle appears to be an AR, one news outlet reported it as an AR556, a Ruger. Not that it really matters. -Optic appears to be something with an aimpoint micro-sized footprint. In all likelihood a non-magnified red dot. -a doppelganger of the shooter posted content including a video saying "you got the wrong guy" - There's video on a college campus of a lookalike of the shooter screaming "slash republican throats" when in the proximity of something like a campus Republicans table. We don't know if this was him - Still no info on the ladder. Where it came from, video of it being placed, etc. -Shooter was downed by a SS sniper at 488 yards according to Erik Prince -Total elapsed time by my count from first shot report to final suppressed report from the SS was 16 seconds. -Rifle belonged to shooters dad @Norsk Thank you!! I can’t get through 200 pages. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:24:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: And yet here we are. It. Was. Not. An. Inside. Job. For fucks sake people. You are taking it to the extreme. Mayorkas absolutely creates opportunities of compromise and your shouting at people that think broader than you drowns out the obvious problem. You realize JFK Jr only just now got SS security b/c Trump said Mayorkas and his ilk need to step up. We are absolutely under invasion and attack. You don't have to control the bad players, just create opportunites and that is what DHS and it's umbrella is doing. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:24:54 AM EDT
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Probably already posted, but saw this today lol.
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:25:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: With everything that's been going on in this world in the last 'bunch' of years... It's a little early to claim that this isn't an 'inside job'. Don't you think. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: Originally Posted By 2T2_Crash: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Again. I don't answer to you. And you know it. Doesn't it piss you the fuck off? you are doin yourself no favors here. Viper is a damn good dude and yet you appear to have called him a plant then been too lame to either back up your statement or retract it; seriously, you look dumb and your troll job is shit. With everything that's been going on in this world in the last 'bunch' of years... It's a little early to claim that this isn't an 'inside job'. Don't you think. Dude, I get it. Trust me. The prez is supposed to be one of the most protected assets in the nation. But there were lots and lots of fuck ups. Look at the agencies all blaming eachother for their fuck ups. Is it that hard to imagine that they're all correct, and they all fucked up? No one is innocent here. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:25:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: With everything that's been going on in this world in the last 'bunch' of years... It's a little early to claim that this isn't an 'inside job'. Don't you think. nope, mostly because if it was I'd expect more than what appears to be a shithead getting lucky (well... almost) thanks to a complete shit-show. if anything I'd say the entire protection and security situation is a result of the government shit show as a whole. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:26:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2T2_Crash: nope, mostly because if it was I'd expect more than what appears to be a shithead getting lucky (well... almost) thanks to a complete shit-show. if anything I'd say the entire protection and security situation is a result of the government shit show as a whole. Probably true, too. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:28:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riflenoob: @Gtdhw @Norsk Think this is where he was, and where photo was taken? I do not see other things in street view like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8586539,-79.9713066,3a,53.2y,127.7h,94.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DrNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D127.69869270542372%26pitch%3D-4.329565154477137%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu https://i.imgur.com/ch4zDmn.jpeg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riflenoob: Originally Posted By Norsk: Dude good call. Arf is piecing it together. @Gtdhw @Norsk Think this is where he was, and where photo was taken? I do not see other things in street view like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8586539,-79.9713066,3a,53.2y,127.7h,94.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DrNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D127.69869270542372%26pitch%3D-4.329565154477137%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu https://i.imgur.com/ch4zDmn.jpeg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG I can't find links but does anyone remember an eyewitness stating they saw the shooter move from one rooftop to another? No idea if I misread that somewhere or if it was actually stated. I also seem to recall someone saying it was hypothesized he jumped up on an AC unit to get initial access. Is that true or just a rumor? I say all this because in the picture you showed I could see someone getting onto that lower building to the left of the wall by using the AC unit then crossing over to the taller buildings. Finally, someone stated a few pages back that it is believed the shooter bought a ladder the day of. Where did that information come from? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:28:57 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tyvar: Things with this kid just keep not falling into any patterns. Unlike most schizos this kid was employed as a "nutrition specialist" at a retirement home. Meaning he fed old people for a living. The his coworkers and employers actually spoke very well of him and evidently he had very good job performance and displayed lots of patience will the old codgers - that's not something a schizo 20 year old does. I've never believed in MKULTRA conspiracy shit before but damn if this isn't making me go hmmm. Or he was a true believer and "cared" |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:31:21 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Panta_Rei: You are taking it to the extreme. Mayorkas absolutely creates opportunities of compromise and your shouting at people that think broader than you drowns out the obvious problem. You realize JFK Jr only just now got SS security b/c Trump said Mayorkas and his ilk need to step up. We are absolutely under invasion and attack. You don't have to control the bad players, just create opportunites and that is what DHS and it's umbrella is doing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Panta_Rei: Originally Posted By xviperx420: And yet here we are. It. Was. Not. An. Inside. Job. For fucks sake people. You are taking it to the extreme. Mayorkas absolutely creates opportunities of compromise and your shouting at people that think broader than you drowns out the obvious problem. You realize JFK Jr only just now got SS security b/c Trump said Mayorkas and his ilk need to step up. We are absolutely under invasion and attack. You don't have to control the bad players, just create opportunites and that is what DHS and it's umbrella is doing. Opportunistic incompetence and anarcho-tyranny ...goes well with two-tiered justice |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:31:40 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtdhw: If he was sitting on the curb, and the pic was taken from a standup position from a close floor level window, I can see it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gtdhw: Originally Posted By WUPHF: Originally Posted By Gtdhw: Originally Posted By Chokey: here's the entire thread https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1813021945958449180.html Stunning new details from @CBSNews on how secret service snipers noticed the shooter before the Trump rally in Butler, PA on Saturday. There were three snipers stationed INSIDE the building the shooter was on, according to a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge. One of the snipers inside saw Crooks outside looking up at the roof observing the building and then disappeared, according to local law enforcement. Then Crooks came back, sat down and was looking on his phone and at that point one of the snipers took a picture of him. Then Crooks took out a range finder and the sniper radio-ed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building. Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof. By the time other officers came for backup he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building. Two other officers who heard the sniper’s call came and tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene. But that time a secret service sniper had already killed Crooks, according to the law enforcement officer. The officer said also Crooks had an IED in his pocket in addition to the explosive materials in his car. Questions remain about HOW this was possible that several law enforcement officers had eyes on the shooter before and reported his behavior... yet this still happened. This must be that pic, which was out very early on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG That picture appears to be taken from an elevated position. Wasn’t that building he was on top of only 1 story? If he was sitting on the curb, and the pic was taken from a standup position from a close floor level window, I can see it. Or…. I’ve heard nothing about SS being in the taller building, but this sure looks like it could fit. (pardon my horrible art)… Pic taken from red circle second floor window? Looking down on retainer wall where crowd was watching and multiple vids taken from (white)? As he was spotting out the roof he was about to climb with unobstructed view?  Attached File Attached File |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:32:09 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StanGram: I'm with the Canadian sniper. There were holes everywhere, but I don't see how an idiot kid just shows up and wanders through them all perfectly. The odds are just not there. Somehow, he had to have been led through those holes. I disagree, from the kids perspective, he only had to go through one hole. Pick that building, and honestly it's a no duh building to pick. It's the only building with a non obstructed line of sight within 200 yards of the stage that's simultaneously outside the main security perimeter. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:32:12 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RainierV: I can't find links but does anyone remember an eyewitness stating they saw the shooter move from one rooftop to another? No idea if I misread that somewhere or if it was actually stated. I also seem to recall someone saying it was hypothesized he jumped up on an AC unit to get initial access. Is that true or just a rumor? I say all this because in the picture you showed I could see someone getting onto that lower building to the left of the wall by using the AC unit then crossing over to the taller buildings. Finally, someone stated a few pages back that it is believed the shooter bought a ladder the day of. Where did that information come from? I'm curious about ^this as well. Has there been discussion about him using the CS team's own ladder to get up there? If they were inside at the time, did they leave their ladder propped up?? 
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:34:10 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Dude, I get it. Trust me. The prez is supposed to be one of the most protected assets in the nation. But there were lots and lots of fuck ups. Look at the agencies all blaming eachother for their fuck ups. Is it that hard to imagine that they're all correct, and they all fucked up? No one is innocent here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Originally Posted By 2T2_Crash: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Again. I don't answer to you. And you know it. Doesn't it piss you the fuck off? you are doin yourself no favors here. Viper is a damn good dude and yet you appear to have called him a plant then been too lame to either back up your statement or retract it; seriously, you look dumb and your troll job is shit. With everything that's been going on in this world in the last 'bunch' of years... It's a little early to claim that this isn't an 'inside job'. Don't you think. Dude, I get it. Trust me. The prez is supposed to be one of the most protected assets in the nation. But there were lots and lots of fuck ups. Look at the agencies all blaming eachother for their fuck ups. Is it that hard to imagine that they're all correct, and they all fucked up? No one is innocent here. Stop with the bullshit. The powers 'that be' aren't idiots. EVERYTHING is happening for a reason and only dumb luck or divine intervention saved Trump this past Saturday. Adults deal with the truth and aren't swayed by smokescreens. Enough with the 'Nothing to see here, folks. Move along' bullshit. I'm stepping out for the night. You 'Top Men' have fun. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:34:30 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Clairton does have a 300 yard range, but you shoot across a road that has to be closed when it’s used, so useage is limited to High Power matches. I've only shot there 3 or 4 time because that range gets stupid hot during the summer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Originally Posted By x248716x: Originally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By X-CaptHook: For some retarded kid that allegedly didn’t know what he was doing, and was a terrible shot, bringing a rangefinder seems a bit interesting. Apparently he went to the range with his dad a lot. they went to a 200yd range. rangefinder not really needed, IMO Clairton does have a 300 yard range, but you shoot across a road that has to be closed when it’s used, so useage is limited to High Power matches. I've only shot there 3 or 4 time because that range gets stupid hot during the summer. That seems less than ideal. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:35:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gtdhw]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riflenoob: @Gtdhw @Norsk Think this is where he was, and where photo was taken? I do not see other things in street view like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8586539,-79.9713066,3a,53.2y,127.7h,94.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DrNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D127.69869270542372%26pitch%3D-4.329565154477137%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu https://i.imgur.com/ch4zDmn.jpeg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riflenoob: Originally Posted By Norsk: Dude good call. Arf is piecing it together. @Gtdhw @Norsk Think this is where he was, and where photo was taken? I do not see other things in street view like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8586539,-79.9713066,3a,53.2y,127.7h,94.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DrNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D127.69869270542372%26pitch%3D-4.329565154477137%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu https://i.imgur.com/ch4zDmn.jpeg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG Very possible. I was thinking the other side wall, as the snipers would've been seeing the event from that side, and the shooter could see the much lower roof line and where he could position himself/plan. Just my speculation as I have seen nothing about tsnipers in the taller building. ETA: This is the opposite side of the building that everything happened on. It's blocking the single story building and roof that is closer that farm grounds. In the pic I posted above taken from a vid, you can see beside hat guy, that there is also an AC unit right there, by the very low roof causeway that connects the building. I would imagine any skinny 20 year old male should be able to make that grab & pull easy with no tools/ladder. Or, he might've very well scaled form another building, but why scale so high and get seen on the decline, on the way to another lower, closer roof, that could be got on much easier, especially when people obviously see him, but it's like he's invisible to anyone that matters.? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 12:38:48 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
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