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Originally Posted By Kharn: I'd give the cop the benefit of the doubt. He was instructing her to put it down the sink, she became non compliant, she sought cover, she made sudden movements while holding the pot. Sucks, but that's what it looks like to me. Kharn View Quote LOL pot of boiling water. LOL I've had entire pots of boiling spaghetti fall on me with nothing but light red skin. |
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I'm not always a dick, just kidding, go fuck yourself.
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I'm not always a dick, just kidding, go fuck yourself.
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Originally Posted By BornIn1776: A taser would have ended this quietly and life would have gone on. View Quote Taser training and policy is to not use it if the person has a weapon or using it could cause unnecessary serious physical harm. If I tasered someone holding a pot of boiling water I’d be in serious trouble. It really is damn if you do damn if you don’t. And yes supervisors will say the same stupid shit GD does about de-escalation and a duty to retreat. |
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That officer is mentally not fit for police work and needs to find another job if he ever makes it through his prison sentence alive.
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Taser training and policy is to not use it if the person has a weapon or using it could cause unnecessary serious physical harm. If I tasered someone holding a pot of boiling water I’d be in serious trouble. It really is damn if you do damn if you don’t. And yes supervisors will say the same stupid shit GD does about de-escalation and a duty to retreat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By BornIn1776: A taser would have ended this quietly and life would have gone on. Taser training and policy is to not use it if the person has a weapon or using it could cause unnecessary serious physical harm. If I tasered someone holding a pot of boiling water I’d be in serious trouble. It really is damn if you do damn if you don’t. And yes supervisors will say the same stupid shit GD does about de-escalation and a duty to retreat. Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? |
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Originally Posted By JackRebney: His video conveniently left out the shooter's bodycam video. She threw it. https://i.imgur.com/u5mFYjy.png View Quote |
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What’s the difference between pancakes and a Mini-14? Pancakes hit the spot.-dvanblaricom
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She called for assistance with what she though was somebody suspicious. They had no business going into her home once they determined there was nothing going on outside. Should have just left, but no, they hand to come inside and stir the pot. Now she is dead and the cop is up on murder charges. Cops don't always have to go stir the pot, a simple nothing going on out her, see ya later would have sufficed.
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Originally Posted By odiedodi: Here's the screencap right as she's throwing it. https://i.imgur.com/dVPQuKX.png View Quote Where's that video, is that while she's throwing it or is that her falling after being shot in the face. |
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? If not badgering a citizen floor is and not staying in their house after the call is resolved with a "there nobody else here, have a good night" is called retreating, then you see this whole thing as a hostile interaction from the start. Interesting perspective on a citizen calling for help, even if she's nuts. |
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Originally Posted By PeepEater: Just so we are all in agreement the water wasn't even a factor until the officer told her to go pick it up right? View Quote That's what the court is going to look at. "You told her to pick it up and then shot her for it?" If it was self defense he sure fucked up alot of other things that have incriminate him |
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Officer created the situation. They entered and could have easly left. Even when she was back by the stove, there was a barrier between them and yet the officer advanced instead of creating distance. Just like ATF in New Orleans, they created the situation where the home owner is killed.
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: That's what the court is going to look at. "You told her to pick it up and then shot her for it?" If it was self defense he sure fucked up alot of other things that have incriminate him View Quote Jury is also going to look at him telling his partner to not get his med kit. |
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Originally Posted By 5zeronintyone: Here's the problem, many departments have put thus requirement to get a name on prowler calls and such so if the home owner asks later who the officers talked to there is a record. I talked to the brother of a home owner once on an alarm call, he claimed to be the owner and he refused to give me his name and I left. A few hours later the real homeowner called angry that we didn't stop his brother from entering his house. I got formal discipline for it. So here the cops are trying to get her name, then she goes crazy. They were being nice until then. Inpatient, but when you deal with people day in and day out who can't provide basic info it gets really old. And once again if you don't get it, you get disciplined. Tactically they should have backed out when she grabbed the water. Some poor choices were made, but you don't have to make the right choice, just a reasonable choice. Pointing a gun at a crazy woman with boiling water is reasonable. She clearly went for the pot again while a gun was pointed at her after setting it down. Sad incident for sure, but legally it's a justified shooting. View Quote Wow thank you for your service, you're so brave. I'm glad those officers kept that woman safe. |
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From what I see in the video, she didn't get shot until she started throwing a pan of hot water at the cops. My call is good shoot.
But as we all know, its not what really happened that matters. Its who the DA is and what color the jury members are that determine the outcome. |
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Originally Posted By jollyg83: Water would have never made it that distance? You wanna stand there and take a chance? View Quote The cop clearly felt ok about getting closer. Anyway, she was clearly a little “off” mentally, but I don’t know why they didn’t leave after clearing the call. Was she on the phone with dispatch? |
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Originally Posted By wyorock: They should have never been in their to begin with. The moment they thought she was acting weird they could have backed out and left. She had not committed a crime no reason to continue the encounter View Quote This. Guess he had to get it on. She disrespected his authority. And, she was a Christian so he gets bonus points with The State. |
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In America, the village idiots have organized.
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Why didn't the cop just turn off the stove himself?
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Originally Posted By Cranky_CJ: She called for assistance with what she though was somebody suspicious. They had no business going into her home once they determined there was nothing going on outside. Should have just left, but no, they hand to come inside and stir the pot. Now she is dead and the cop is up on murder charges. Cops don't always have to go stir the pot, a simple nothing going on out her, see ya later would have sufficed. View Quote But then they couldn’t have searched her home. |
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Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: Where's that video, is that while she's throwing it or is that her falling after being shot in the face. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Here's the screencap right as she's throwing it. https://i.imgur.com/dVPQuKX.png Where's that video, is that while she's throwing it or is that her falling after being shot in the face. Check the video in post #4 on page 3. She may have thrown it first. |
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Originally Posted By -daddy: Who the fuck owns a "big screen tv" in 2024? What the actual fuck? https://i.imgur.com/S2efimN.jpeg View Quote I still use my 42" Toshiba rear projection. Cinema-like image. |
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Originally Posted By gotigers: LOL pot of boiling water. LOL I've had entire pots of boiling spaghetti fall on me with nothing but light red skin. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By gotigers: Originally Posted By Kharn: I'd give the cop the benefit of the doubt. He was instructing her to put it down the sink, she became non compliant, she sought cover, she made sudden movements while holding the pot. Sucks, but that's what it looks like to me. Kharn LOL pot of boiling water. LOL I've had entire pots of boiling spaghetti fall on me with nothing but light red skin. Today I learned boiling water can't seriously burn you... ![]() |
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Discombobulated goofy arm tats…check
JARHEAD haircut…check Creatine powder on shirt…check Shirt 2 sizes too small…check Condescending brah attitude…check Pimped out red dot equipped pistol with light…check Robocop speed holster …check He had to get it on. He just had to get it on. |
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15,16,22,23,24' Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21' |
Originally Posted By BoneB1B: The cop clearly felt ok about getting closer. Anyway, she was clearly a little “off” mentally, but I don’t know why they didn’t leave after clearing the call. Was she on the phone with dispatch? View Quote I don’t know anything about police work or law, but other illegal use of deadly force investigations wanted to know why the officer didn’t move to cover if they thought their life was in danger. |
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Originally Posted By Muerte: Originally Posted By odiedodi: She threw the water. Fuck her. not in the video Not in the OP's video. She 100% fucking threw, it's on video. We really don't need to go over it yet again. |
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"You can't tourniquet a taint, folks." - Andrew Branca
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GD has found another hero. Send money to the officer’s prison account if it helps your feelings.
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Very interesting,
Would a pot of boiling water be viewed as deadly with the intent to reasonably make a person fear they were at risk of death OR crippling Injury? This case will boil down (pun intended) to the medical experts gymnastics about how boiling water can sever nerves or something. |
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Originally Posted By JackRebney: Not in the OP's video. She 100% fucking threw, it's on video. We really don't need to go over it yet again. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By cheeks: Discombobulated goofy arm tats…check JARHEAD haircut…check Creatine powder on shirt…check Shirt 2 sizes too small…check Condescending brah attitude…check Pimped out red dot equipped pistol with light…check Robocop speed holster …check He had to get it on. He just had to get it on. View Quote Yep, gotta wave that freak flag when you check all them boxes. |
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This one is certainly muddy. It wasnt a good shoot, but it wasnt a bad shoot either. I suspect, by policy and the letter of the law he might be ok. But this one will be poorly perceived in the eyes of the masses because it is too easy to sow the story of little ol lady shot in her kitchen cooking dinner. This one will be picked apart by the details for sure. In the end, I think this cop is gonna end up in jail.
The lady was definitely off which made things worse. The cops also had room to back track or use alternatives, but once you are locked in, it seems almost impossible for these things to deviate away from someone getting shot. |
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Originally Posted By ag04blast: This one is certainly muddy. It wasnt a good shoot, but it wasnt a bad shoot either. I suspect, by policy and the letter of the law he might be ok. But this one will be poorly perceived in the eyes of the masses because it is too easy to sow the story of little ol lady shot in her kitchen cooking dinner. This one will be picked apart by the details for sure. In the end, I think this cop is gonna end up in jail. The lady was definitely off which made things worse. The cops also had room to back track or use alternatives, but once you are locked in, it seems almost impossible for these things to deviate away from someone getting shot. View Quote Yeah it seems like a pretty textbook example of making bad decisions, forcing the issue, and setting yourself up for a legal shoot that never should have happened. |
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If I'm in that position, I'm never going to kill her over that.
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Would you declare God guilty to justify yourself?
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Originally Posted By Towely: Today I learned boiling water can't seriously burn you... ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Towely: Originally Posted By gotigers: Originally Posted By Kharn: I'd give the cop the benefit of the doubt. He was instructing her to put it down the sink, she became non compliant, she sought cover, she made sudden movements while holding the pot. Sucks, but that's what it looks like to me. Kharn LOL pot of boiling water. LOL I've had entire pots of boiling spaghetti fall on me with nothing but light red skin. Today I learned boiling water can't seriously burn you... ![]() From across the room? I doubt he would've had serious burns from that. I can't count the amount of radiators from an overheating derby car I've had explode on me from a hood's length away and I've never been burned. Water droplets cool down pretty damned fast in the air. Ever notice how hot the water is at your shower head and how much cooler it is down by the floor of the tub? ![]() |
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Originally Posted By jDrexler: Yeah it seems like a pretty textbook example of making bad decisions, forcing the issue, and setting yourself up for a legal shoot that never should have happened. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jDrexler: Originally Posted By ag04blast: This one is certainly muddy. It wasnt a good shoot, but it wasnt a bad shoot either. I suspect, by policy and the letter of the law he might be ok. But this one will be poorly perceived in the eyes of the masses because it is too easy to sow the story of little ol lady shot in her kitchen cooking dinner. This one will be picked apart by the details for sure. In the end, I think this cop is gonna end up in jail. The lady was definitely off which made things worse. The cops also had room to back track or use alternatives, but once you are locked in, it seems almost impossible for these things to deviate away from someone getting shot. Yeah it seems like a pretty textbook example of making bad decisions, forcing the issue, and setting yourself up for a legal shoot that never should have happened. It reminds me of the videos where the cop moves in front of a vehicle and jumps on the hood. Didnt need to happen, but the events put in motion a certain outcome. |
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Originally Posted By ag04blast: It reminds me of the videos where the cop moves in front of a vehicle and jumps on the hood. Didnt need to happen, but the events put in motion a certain outcome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ag04blast: Originally Posted By jDrexler: Originally Posted By ag04blast: This one is certainly muddy. It wasnt a good shoot, but it wasnt a bad shoot either. I suspect, by policy and the letter of the law he might be ok. But this one will be poorly perceived in the eyes of the masses because it is too easy to sow the story of little ol lady shot in her kitchen cooking dinner. This one will be picked apart by the details for sure. In the end, I think this cop is gonna end up in jail. The lady was definitely off which made things worse. The cops also had room to back track or use alternatives, but once you are locked in, it seems almost impossible for these things to deviate away from someone getting shot. Yeah it seems like a pretty textbook example of making bad decisions, forcing the issue, and setting yourself up for a legal shoot that never should have happened. It reminds me of the videos where the cop moves in front of a vehicle and jumps on the hood. Didnt need to happen, but the events put in motion a certain outcome. Yep, just handling the entire situation wrong and then using the ol' "well, technically I was justified to shoot in that moment." |
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. |
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Taser training and policy is to not use it if the person has a weapon or using it could cause unnecessary serious physical harm. If I tasered someone holding a pot of boiling water I’d be in serious trouble. It really is damn if you do damn if you don’t. And yes supervisors will say the same stupid shit GD does about de-escalation and a duty to retreat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By BornIn1776: A taser would have ended this quietly and life would have gone on. Taser training and policy is to not use it if the person has a weapon or using it could cause unnecessary serious physical harm. If I tasered someone holding a pot of boiling water I’d be in serious trouble. It really is damn if you do damn if you don’t. And yes supervisors will say the same stupid shit GD does about de-escalation and a duty to retreat. Good point. I didn't even think of that. But I think it highlights the real issue. Due to bullshit complaints and lawsuits, cops are too afraid to use any kind of force at all (especially on certain demographics.) They're stuck there trying to talk and beg the person to please listen, this continues to embolden the other party, then it crosses the line to something dangerous for the officer. |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. |
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Maniac has responded with a scornful remark
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Duty to retreat? How about not badgering someone in their home after they told them to get out, and not closing the distance to create an excuse to kill? So retreating? Or simply not pressing a fight until the point that you scare an old lady out of her wits so that you can shoot her for dubious reasons. But it if triggers you then yes, there are times you should retreat because it makes no sense to stay there. It’s a tired trope. Everything that goes wrong is the cops fault. Don’t grab a pot of boiling water. Period. She grabbed it and threw it. There’s no reason to do that. It’s all on her. Cops leaving, retreating, being nicer etc is all great but at the end of the day if you try to throw boiling water on someone you deserve to get shot. Everything else is lawyers trying to make money. Quit dragging your cross across the carpet. And don't grab a pot of boiling water after the cop says you can because he'll kill you for doing it. Noted. |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Quit dragging your cross across the carpet. View Quote Well then stop making stupid arguments. Either the lady with the pot of boiling water wasn’t actually a threat of serious bodily injury at all and boiling water it totally fine to throw at someone. OR She was a threat and it was inevitable she was going to throw it and the cops shouldn’t have gotten close. So which is it? |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: Yeah she sure looks like she threw a pot of boiling water at him. Prosecution has a tough time ahead of them View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Aimless: Originally Posted By JackRebney: His video conveniently left out the shooter's bodycam video. She threw it. https://i.imgur.com/u5mFYjy.png For first degree murder, yeah. |
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Based on the video's shown that cop would not want me on the jury.
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"War is the unfolding of miscalculations." -- Barbra Tuchman
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Maniac has responded with a scornful remark
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Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Well then stop making stupid arguments. Either the lady with the pot of boiling water wasn’t actually a threat of serious bodily injury at all and boiling water it totally fine to throw at someone. OR She was a threat and it was inevitable she was going to throw it and the cops shouldn’t have gotten close. So which is it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Quit dragging your cross across the carpet. Well then stop making stupid arguments. Either the lady with the pot of boiling water wasn’t actually a threat of serious bodily injury at all and boiling water it totally fine to throw at someone. OR She was a threat and it was inevitable she was going to throw it and the cops shouldn’t have gotten close. So which is it? It was inevitable she was going to throw it? ![]() More police creative writing on display. |
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Originally Posted By 50-140: Why it would be so difficult to inform the Leo "I've got a pot of water on the boil for pasta, I'm going to turn it off and move it to a cold burner"? View Quote Did you watch the video ? She did exactly that. It started to boil over and she said she was going to take it off. She was also the one who called the cops to investigate a suspicious person in her area. |
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Originally Posted By ag04blast: This one is certainly muddy. It wasnt a good shoot, but it wasnt a bad shoot either. I suspect, by policy and the letter of the law he might be ok. But this one will be poorly perceived in the eyes of the masses because it is too easy to sow the story of little ol lady shot in her kitchen cooking dinner. This one will be picked apart by the details for sure. In the end, I think this cop is gonna end up in jail. The lady was definitely off which made things worse. The cops also had room to back track or use alternatives, but once you are locked in, it seems almost impossible for these things to deviate away from someone getting shot. View Quote Yup, it was definitely avoidable, the cop fucked up and created/escalated and put himself into danger, but it probably isn’t first degree murder. |
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