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Posted: Today 2:16:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: Colt653]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. FPNI ….also laugh at the cult like following opps….I voted “commies” |
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Posted: Today 2:20:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. 
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 2:23:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. This. For some it's a good choice. But it ain't for everyone. |
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Posted: Today 2:23:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: They may be right for some people, I have no problem if people like their EVs. It is a tool to be used within its capability. The problem is our overbearing government is trying to fuck everyone over with mandates and laws that favor EVs when the technology and power grid just can't handle it. This here, it MAY be a good 2nd or 3rd car option for some people, one would work for us, and likely cover 80% of both our driving habits. But we need a car for longer distances, weather shit, and need the diesel pickup for towing and hauling. |
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Posted: Today 2:24:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By webtaz99: EVs are just an alternative. Oil won't be around forever. We didn't quit using whale oil because we ran out of whales. Oil isn’t running out anytime soon. |
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Posted: Today 2:26:37 PM EST
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Drive a Horse or Riding Mower if that fits your needs. IDGAFF. I will drive what fits mine. As long as some Fucking .gov Goon like Butthole Pete isn't forcing anyone, it’s all cool.
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Posted: Today 2:27:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Sky: I have no problems with EV's. As a retired guy that only drives an average of 10 to 20 miles a day (if even that), I'd probably own one as a daily driver if they weren't so damn expensive to purchase and/or maintain. I'll always have my pickup for serious work. They are close in cost if equally equipped. Maintenance on them is less than ICE autos. No oil changes etc. Reliability may be a problem though. They appear to breakdown more often for computer glitches and sensors. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: Today 2:31:06 PM EST
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I think they are neat. I have an Electric riding mower and push mower and a garage full of battery operated tools. Never going back to gas for yard tools and such.
As far as Electric Vehicles, I do like them, but the tech is not "there" yet. If one worked for me, I would have one. It won't work for me, so I don't. When we get to minimum 500 mile range with NORMAL use, and a recharge of, let's say 10 min or so, and they are on par cost-wise with an ICE vehicle, then we'll talk. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: Today 2:33:31 PM EST
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I think of modern EVs the same way I think of the ones existing around the 1900s - an interesting and clever diversion, but the internal combustion engine put them in the dirt. Today, its the same - they are grossly heavy, there are few charging stations, the batteries don't last, they are extremely expensive and they don't have much range. Still, I don't think they should give up - technology might catch up with the EV and make them practical in 20 years.
If the local, state and federal governments would really get serious with using them, like the post office, police forces, government car pools, etc., that would be one of the most important steps toward increasing use by the public. |
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Posted: Today 2:34:21 PM EST
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I think some people of all ages and stripes are enamored with gadgets and new tech. I have zero issues with people trying one because they're interested in the technology.
Beyond making allowance for that, I think EVs are kinda dumb, really. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: Today 2:37:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. FPNI. When EVs are an optimal choice in terms of range, charge time, etc. and we have a network of nuke power generation and bombproof grid- Fantastic. Pushing them down people’s throats when they are not ready for prime time with fantasy claims about solar, hydro, and wind while trying to shut down petroleum based and ruining engine choices and longevity for ICE- Fuck that. |
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Posted: Today 2:46:26 PM EST
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Drive what you want. No mandates, no tax credits.
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 3:00:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV.  Attached FileAnd they don’t make one that I would want yet anyway. |
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Posted: Today 3:01:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C3H5N3O9: EVs are neutral things. It’s another option, and options are good. Forcing EVs on the American people by regulating everything else out of existence in the name of climate change is pure commie BS. This. I have some friends who bought EV's. They are conservatives. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: Today 3:05:36 PM EST
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I think given current technology and infrastructure full EV is dumb as fuck , but we should keep trying to improve it
I also think Hybrid will end up being the route we should go for the majority of vehicles. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 3:09:30 PM EST
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My recollection of their history -
Pushed by environmentalists Adopted by liberal minded people Government trying to mandate their use (elimination of ICE) |
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FL, USA
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Posted: Today 3:11:13 PM EST
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I know they must exist, but I have never met an EV owner who was a conservative. They are all liberals, so far.
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CT, USA
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Posted: Today 3:12:15 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. This |
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USA
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Posted: Today 3:12:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: Shoresy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: This is a really important point, and one that my wife and I considered when we were planning our Hawaii house build. Our plan (it's temporarily on hold right now), was to build the house with a big solar system - possibly the tesla roof tiles - and buy an EV truck. Because of the solar system, we'd literally never have to spend a penny of charging because we'd just charge the truck off the house. Even the Big Island is small enough that you could drive anywhere and back on a single charge - so we'd never have to look for a charger either. In the event of some huge disaster or TEOTWAWKI, gasoline would run out VERY quickly, since it has to be shipped in - and so while everyone with ICE vehicles would basically have no transportation, we'd continue to have infinite transportation (as long as the vehicle itself didn't break). Obviously, for most people, that's not the scenario they'd be in, but for us, an EV would be far superior to ICE in an emergency. My wife and I have looked at a similar setup for the next house out in the country, for similar reasons. ETA: I'm really interested in alternate ev vehicles like 4 wheelers, SxS, motocross style bike etc. |
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Posted: Today 3:13:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1saxman: I think of modern EVs the same way I think of the ones existing around the 1900s - an interesting and clever diversion, but the internal combustion engine put them in the dirt. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: Today 3:14:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: I think some people of all ages and stripes are enamored with gadgets and new tech. I have zero issues with people trying one because they're interested in the technology. Beyond making allowance for that, I think EVs are kinda dumb, really. that was me. i had one of the first prius because it was cool. i sold it because my barrett 50bmg wouldn't fit in the back. i'll get another electric vehicle as soon as i finish my garage with solar so i can charge it 100% from the sun. i'd own a tesla but I don't like the spyware |
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Posted: Today 3:18:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: Kent]
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I have no problem with EV's when presented as an OPTION for the buyer. They can be convenient for some use cases.
Where I push back is when Big Daddy EPA and Liberals decide that EV's will be the ONLY choice for consumers by removing other options, so they can "help" people make the "correct" choice. This includes taxpayer funded rebates for EV's to "help" people decide. If EV's are so good, then people will buy them WITHOUT govt forcing their hand. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: Today 3:21:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. This. I would buy one if I had to drive to the office. Charging at home no gas stations and no road tax. I know someday they are coming for that tax. |
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Posted: Today 3:21:45 PM EST
[#24]
man controlling global warming and all the man-made prescriptions is a lefty thing... electric cars are an arrow in that quiver..
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Posted: Today 3:23:29 PM EST
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I have no problem with people driving them, but I do assume they are likely whiny cunts in other aspects of their life.
I'm typically proven correct, too |
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USA
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Posted: Today 3:23:55 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. |
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Posted: Today 3:27:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: Drive what you want. No mandates, no tax credits. We should do that with Real Estate 
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Posted: Today 3:32:29 PM EST
[#28]
I just bought a new Tesla model 3. We went for a test drive a while back when they were making deal on the old model to clear inventory. Holy shit was it fast. That’s what interested me. The new model came out and I was impressed with the tech of the thing, styling, performance. Everything. So I bought it. I don’t commute. They are not green regardless of what the fanboi’s want to tell you but they are fast and fun to drive.
I also have a F350, a Subaru ascent, a 77 ford pickup, and a 66 Cadillac convertible, and I don’t give two shits about saving gas money. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 3:33:11 PM EST
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EVs have a good use case.
The problem is, industry wasn't allowed to properly develop them, because EVs were forced into production with government subsidies. So we're left with gov sponsored EV crap that came to market prematurely. Remove gov money from the equation, and eventually industry will deliver a more mature product that makes sense. |
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Posted: Today 3:35:28 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Perfectly said. |
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Posted: Today 3:39:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: pr24guy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Lefty for two reasons. 1. "Proposed" environmental impact that gets pushed. (Never mind the batteries.) 2. They are best suited for short commutes and need a charging station infrastructure. That = cities/burbs which usually are libera. Don't forget the power needed to power the charging statiions. The space required to charge the ev cars is destructive. Imagine the amount of charging stations needed to charge all the vehicles in the US. |
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Posted: Today 3:40:20 PM EST
[#32]
The MANDATES are a lefty thing.
The actual OWNERSHIP is neutral. I know several from all sides of the political spectrum. |
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Posted: Today 3:41:09 PM EST
[#33]
Since our lithium comes from China...
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Posted: Today 3:47:11 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguzzi: Since our lithium comes from China... Now do lead  The vast majority of some raw and processed materials are China sourced. So it's a much wider problem
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 3:48:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Lefty for two reasons. 1. "Proposed" environmental impact that gets pushed. (Never mind the batteries.) 2. They are best suited for short commutes and need a charging station infrastructure. That = cities/burbs which usually are libera. What do you consider a short commute? The average is 27 miles, a distance that Teslas will do 8-13 times depending on model. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: Today 3:49:15 PM EST
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My employer provided me with a Bolt EUV as my "commuter" vehicle. I drive roughly 60 miles per day, round trip. I'd rather put those miles on a vehicle that someone else is paying for than my own!
It is finicky about charging, but I have a spot to charge it at the office and they paid for me to put a spot to charge it at home. FWIW, I rarely charge it at home unless I use the company car to go to the gym or something like that. Would I buy one for myself? NO Would I drive one that someone else is paying for? Hell yeah, brother! |
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Posted: Today 3:52:58 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Same, really like my model 3P for 40-100 miles I am in it a day. |
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Posted: Today 3:53:10 PM EST
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I like the idea of an EV. but I don't think lithium is the answer. the hydrogen fusion cell could be an answer.
I'm not an engineer so I have no idea about the mechanics of it. but currently, I don't think lithium is a long-term answer. |
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USA
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Posted: Today 3:55:10 PM EST
[#39]
Neutral. It’s just a car, an object.
It can’t be left or right, in the same way guns don’t kill people. I don’t own one, but would consider it if I get whole house solar. With the way electricity and gas prices are going, at some point it all makes financial sense. |
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Posted: Today 3:57:27 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: Today 3:57:40 PM EST
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Not for me as we live in the country about 4 miles out of a small town. The next big shopping area with stores other than Walmart are a 30 minute drive. I don’t work in an office cubicle either and I need to actually haul and tow things. I don’t begrudge a suburbanite with access to a charger for owning an EV however.
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Posted: Today 3:59:50 PM EST
[#42]
They have a place, but they are not ready to replace ICE vehicles.
Infrastructure and range are the biggest drawbacks. The government should have been building infrastructure (directly or indirectly) instead of pushing EV's. Independent of EVs, our grid needs to be re-vamped and improved across the board. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: Today 4:03:45 PM EST
[#43]
This is where I admit I rode in a Prius once and it was pretty neat.
I would definitely consider a hybrid. I certainly don't want to be tethered to a battery only vehicle at this point. I expect I will be dead before the technology advances far enough to consider EV only. |
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Posted: Today 4:06:32 PM EST
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I feel the exact same way about EVs as I do about tranny blowjobs. If you want one, get one. Just don’t force me to get one and sure as hell don’t use my tax dollars to make them more affordable for you.
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Posted: Today 4:07:38 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: They may be right for some people, I have no problem if people like their EVs. It is a tool to be used within its capability. The problem is our overbearing government is trying to fuck everyone over with mandates and laws that favor EVs when the technology and power grid just can't handle it. I have a problem with saying they are green, the Gov spending billions on subsidies and forcing people to buy them. If the infrastructure was in place, the costs /purchases wasn’t outrageous, etc maybe under the right circumstances. |
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Posted: Today 4:08:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: Antero]
[#46]
First of all, Teslas are awesome. Not only are they the best American made passenger car, they are also a product of Elon Musk, the greatest living American.
I definitely consider them a neutral. Probably they are going to become more of a conservative car going forward. |
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Posted: Today 4:08:35 PM EST
[#47]
here's the neat part: i don't think about EVs.
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KS, USA
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Posted: Today 4:10:15 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Shoresy: Just curious what the prevailing stance on arfcom 2.0 is. This. Early adopters were naturally going to be people concerned about the environmental crisis of the moment, which largely means leftists. They remain most practical for city dwellers, who are more left leaning as a group. |
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Posted: Today 4:12:09 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: I have no problem with EVs. I have a massive problem with the government telling me I have to have an EV This. They make a lot of sense if your driving is just bouncing around town. Even more so when you have dirt cheap TVA electricity like me. Came very close to buying a Tesla for the wife but we make a lot of road trips. Long road trips and electric vehicle still don't mix well. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: Today 4:17:11 PM EST
[#50]
I would consider converting an ice pu to 144v lifepo because it is not proprietary, and you can charge it directly from a genset while driving.
In a small pickup you could get 2 miles/kwh average so a 30kwh battery would go 60 miles, add a 4kw genset in the bed and you are unlimited. The advantage of this strategy is you can repair ir yourself with off the shelf parts from any supplier. |
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