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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:01:00 PM EDT
[#1]
I really believe it's legit, Ive owned several ris rails, I've just never seen this marking.
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
I think I've owned half a dozen m4a1 dd ris rails and mk18 rails but I've never seen one marked like this. I picked it up in the ee, it's brand new. It appears completely legit in weight, feel, and otherwise in appearance. Thoughts? <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134843_zpsbd86a3cf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134843_zpsbd86a3cf.jpg</a> Here is a pic of my other one. While well used, this is what I'm used to seeing as far as markings. <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134954_zps260141b1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134954_zps260141b1.jpg</a> Unless they changed their markings to remove important PN info, then heeeeeellll no. Did it come with a box? What are the markings on the inside of the lower rail? |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:19:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#3]
Making another post in an attempt to fix the not being able to view new post deal this thread does....
Eta- Cschelk, I agree. It looks legit to me too. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:24:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: G_MAN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
I think I've owned half a dozen m4a1 dd ris rails and mk18 rails but I've never seen one marked like this. I picked it up in the ee, it's brand new. It appears completely legit in weight, feel, and otherwise in appearance. Thoughts? <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134843_zpsbd86a3cf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134843_zpsbd86a3cf.jpg</a> Here is a pic of my other one. While well used, this is what I'm used to seeing as far as markings. <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134954_zps260141b1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134954_zps260141b1.jpg</a> might be the angle the pic was taken but the bottom section of the 9 o'clock 1913 rail is sloped oddly, doesn't match the top. Google Madbull RIS II- it may be an airsoft |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:41:33 PM EDT
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I went ahead and posted in their industry forum for clarification
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:44:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
I went ahead and posted in their industry forum for clarification Have you looked at the markings inside the handguard? Looking at some Google pics of Madbull RIS IIs, it looks like they stamp them inside with "Airsoft Use Only" or something. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:50:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MegaTarsal]
[#7]
So this too is interesting. Here are the markings on the inside. The box on the right is what it came in (identical box but the label is different. "Govt"). The one on the left is from a ris I purchased from an industry partner a couple years ago.
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:53:32 PM EDT
[#8]
Hmm. And the SKU is all zeros.
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:54:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: G_MAN]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
So this too is interesting. Here are the markings on the inside. The box on the right is what it came in (identical box but the label is different. "Govt"). The one on the left is from a ris I purchased from an industry partner a couple years ago. <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg</a> <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg</a> After looking more closely at that section of 1913 rail and comparing it to the 3 that I own, the angle is completely off(it's actually not even angled/sloped and it's supposed to be), I'm going "all-in" that it's a fake or at the very least a defect/blem. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 4:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
After looking more closely at that section of 1913 rail and comparing it to the 3 that I own, the angle is completely off, I'm going "all-in" that it's a fake or at the very least a defect/blem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
So this too is interesting. Here are the markings on the inside. The box on the right is what it came in (identical box but the label is different. "Govt"). The one on the left is from a ris I purchased from an industry partner a couple years ago. <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg</a> <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg</a> After looking more closely at that section of 1913 rail and comparing it to the 3 that I own, the angle is completely off, I'm going "all-in" that it's a fake or at the very least a defect/blem. Side by side I don't see any difference between the 2 that I have aside from the marking. I'm not seeing the "angle " or anythinglike you mentioned. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:04:08 PM EDT
[#11]
Sellers description:
Up for sale is a bit of a unique M4A1 RIS II FDE. I had originally purchased this rail a few years back, and it came with the bottom section from a RIS II FSP FDE. I used it as-is for awhile, then asked Daniel Defense if they could send me the correct M4A1 RIS II bottom section. DD ended up sending me both a brand new top section and bottom section, but sent back the original bolt-up plate, barrel nut, and bolts. So, this RIS II features a brand new, current milspec top and bottom rail, with a boltup plate that is just a shade different due to being from a different dye lot - but in all other respects identical to current MIL issue. Everything works great, and the screws that attach the top and bottom rails are also brand new (the ones with the little plastic washers). |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
After looking more closely at that section of 1913 rail and comparing it to the 3 that I own, the angle is completely off(it's actually not even angled/sloped and it's supposed to be), I'm going "all-in" that it's a fake or at the very least a defect/blem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
So this too is interesting. Here are the markings on the inside. The box on the right is what it came in (identical box but the label is different. "Govt"). The one on the left is from a ris I purchased from an industry partner a couple years ago. <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg</a> <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg</a> After looking more closely at that section of 1913 rail and comparing it to the 3 that I own, the angle is completely off(it's actually not even angled/sloped and it's supposed to be), I'm going "all-in" that it's a fake or at the very least a defect/blem. After some hard looking I see the slope you're talking about. Its an optical illusion from the camera |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:13:22 PM EDT
[#13]
The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman"
"It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." 
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:15:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
After some hard looking I see the slope you're talking about. Its an optical illusion from the camera Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
So this too is interesting. Here are the markings on the inside. The box on the right is what it came in (identical box but the label is different. "Govt"). The one on the left is from a ris I purchased from an industry partner a couple years ago. <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144702_zpsbad35216.jpg</a> <a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/bumpinblaze4x4/media/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/20150107_144633_zpsfbce374b.jpg</a> After looking more closely at that section of 1913 rail and comparing it to the 3 that I own, the angle is completely off(it's actually not even angled/sloped and it's supposed to be), I'm going "all-in" that it's a fake or at the very least a defect/blem. After some hard looking I see the slope you're talking about. Its an optical illusion from the camera yeah, probably just the shadows and angles playing tricks on my brain like something from M.C. Escher |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:15:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2: The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman" "It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." You could probably sell that box for a few hundies for the diehard clone fanatic/airsofter  |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman" "It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." That's what's up 
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:18:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
You could probably sell that box for a few hundies for the diehard clone fanatic/airsofter
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman" "It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." You could probably sell that box for a few hundies for the diehard clone fanatic/airsofter
Guess we all learned something new today. I don't think I have the heart to use it though, I honestly bought it to make a few bucks but I didn't know it was marked as such when I bought it. Definitely interesting. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 5:30:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OilfieldTrash78]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
Guess we all learned something new today. I don't think I have the heart to use it though, I honestly bought it to make a few bucks but I didn't know it was marked as such when I bought it. Definitely interesting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman" "It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." You could probably sell that box for a few hundies for the diehard clone fanatic/airsofter
Guess we all learned something new today. I don't think I have the heart to use it though, I honestly bought it to make a few bucks but I didn't know it was marked as such when I bought it. Definitely interesting. I almost bought that rail, and you just barely beat me too it....lol!! |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 6:49:48 PM EDT
[#19]
Got a new "accessory" for my M4A1 SOPMOD "kit":
Incidentally - does anyone have any experiences with this fake ATPIAL at all? http://www.ebay.com/itm/FMA-PEQ-15-LA5-Upgrade-Version-LED-White-Light-Red-Laser-W-IR-Lenses-DE-TB0072-/321623402452?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae23fa7d4 The Engrish is pretty difficult to understand, but I think it means that it does in fact have an IR filter to allow the laser to be used with NODs... While I would love to dedicate an ATPIAL-C to the Simunitions upper, I really don't think that I could justify the cost of that in my lifetime - at least not if I'm paying for it.
For $60, if this will allow me to have an IR CQB training laser in the ATPIAL form factor, it seems like it might be worth a shot for the extremely limited role in which this upper will be used, it doesn't need to be the most effective, powerful, or durable - it just needs to give me CQB distance training tool that can be used with NODs and not damage them. Otherwise, I'll probably just keep my eye out for another LaserMax or Crimson Trace small rail mounted laser for that role, or just swap an ATPIAL-C on when needed. ~Augee |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 7:24:55 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
That's what's up Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman" "It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." That's what's up I'm still not convinced. I'm calling Madbull |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 7:27:43 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
I'm still not convinced. I'm calling Madbull Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman" "It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." That's what's up I'm still not convinced. I'm calling Madbull Lol! Idk who that is, but hopefully it's good news. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 7:43:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
I'm still not convinced. I'm calling Madbull Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
The following is in response to my post in the dd industry section by "iceman" "It is legit. Govt issue. Enjoy." That's what's up I'm still not convinced. I'm calling Madbull For serious? The DD rep confirmed it in thEurope industry section. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 7:55:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ankratz]
[#23]
Without seeing others direct from DD like that, I just wouldn't feel right about it. I hope its legit, and I'm not trying to shit in your Wheaties, it just would bother me. Particularly with that SKU on the box.
If indeed you have a Govt part, that would be the coolest shit ever. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 8:17:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Without seeing others direct from DD like that, I just wouldn't feel right about it. I hope its legit, and I'm not trying to shit in your Wheaties, it just would bother me. Particularly with that SKU on the box. If indeed you have a Govt part, that would be the coolest shit ever. Right I understand but what better source for confirmation than DD themselves (as already confirmed )? I'd like to get more details as well but their response was short and sweet. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 8:24:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ankratz:
Without seeing others direct from DD like that, I just wouldn't feel right about it. I hope its legit, and I'm not trying to shit in your Wheaties, it just would bother me. Particularly with that SKU on the box. If indeed you have a Govt part, that would be the coolest shit ever. I vaguely remember another "0000000000" SKU showed up in one of these BK II threads awhile back. think it was the same situation, gubmint' cheese. |
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Posted: 1/7/2015 8:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
Right I understand but what better source for confirmation than DD themselves (as already confirmed )? I'd like to get more details as well but their response was short and sweet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Without seeing others direct from DD like that, I just wouldn't feel right about it. I hope its legit, and I'm not trying to shit in your Wheaties, it just would bother me. Particularly with that SKU on the box. If indeed you have a Govt part, that would be the coolest shit ever. Right I understand but what better source for confirmation than DD themselves (as already confirmed )? I'd like to get more details as well but their response was short and sweet. Yep, If someone from DD is telling you it's legit, then it is legit. They're not going to lie to you in their own industry section and I highly doubt they'd comment if they weren't sure. I'd say be confident that you have a very unique and rare (at least for civilian hands) RIS II. 
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Posted: 1/7/2015 9:54:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
I vaguely remember another "0000000000" SKU showed up in one of these BK II threads awhile back. think it was the same situation, gubmint' cheese. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Without seeing others direct from DD like that, I just wouldn't feel right about it. I hope its legit, and I'm not trying to shit in your Wheaties, it just would bother me. Particularly with that SKU on the box. If indeed you have a Govt part, that would be the coolest shit ever. I vaguely remember another "0000000000" SKU showed up in one of these BK II threads awhile back. think it was the same situation, gubmint' cheese. Interesting. I'm curious to see if anyone else has run into one. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:07:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Page glitch.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:20:18 AM EDT
[#29]
Yeah that's true.
Man that's badass then! Is it going on an M4A1 marked lower I hope? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschelk2: I think I've owned half a dozen m4a1 dd ris rails and mk18 rails but I've never seen one marked like this. I picked it up in the ee, it's brand new. It appears completely legit in weight, feel, and otherwise in appearance. Thoughts? http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134843_zpsbd86a3cf.jpg Here is a pic of my other one. While well used, this is what I'm used to seeing as far as markings. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134954_zps260141b1.jpg I believe what you have is an early version of RIS 2. There are holes in front of FSB cut out (bottom rail). Those holes are eliminated in the later revision because bipod impact will cause the bottom rail to bend. The elimination of the holes made the bottom rail stronger. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 2:51:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ihcnehc:
I believe what you have is an early version of RIS 2. There are holes in front of FSB cut out (bottom rail). Those holes are eliminated in the later revision because bipod impact will cause the bottom rail to bend. The elimination of the holes made the bottom rail stronger. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ihcnehc:
Originally Posted By cschelk2:
I think I've owned half a dozen m4a1 dd ris rails and mk18 rails but I've never seen one marked like this. I picked it up in the ee, it's brand new. It appears completely legit in weight, feel, and otherwise in appearance. Thoughts? http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134843_zpsbd86a3cf.jpg Here is a pic of my other one. While well used, this is what I'm used to seeing as far as markings. http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e93/bumpinblaze4x4/Mobile%20Uploads/20150107_134954_zps260141b1.jpg I believe what you have is an early version of RIS 2. There are holes in front of FSB cut out (bottom rail). Those holes are eliminated in the later revision because bipod impact will cause the bottom rail to bend. The elimination of the holes made the bottom rail stronger. Makes sense to me. Maybe an older RIS II, possibly a military overrun. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 2:55:53 AM EDT
[#32]
They made that change a while ago. Can't really imagine they'd have any laying around at this point.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 10:21:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jax_Guns]
[#33]
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 10:26:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309: They made that change a while ago. Can't really imagine they'd have any laying around at this point. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 11:00:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 11:09:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jax_Guns]
[#36]
It looks black here but the color might be off on my monitor. The bottom pic is black for sure.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy:
The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 11:45:56 AM EDT
[#37]
Is Leupold MK8 clone correct? I have the block II upper ready, but I am debating whether to get MK8 or the new Schmidt Bender PII 1-8x24.
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Posted: 1/8/2015 12:20:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ihcnehc]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15USA: Is Leupold MK8 clone correct? I have the block II upper ready, but I am debating whether to get MK8 or the new Schmidt Bender PII 1-8x24. Leupold MK8 CQBSS wouldn't have existed without the SOCOM contract. CQBSS is also used by USMC. Schmidt & Bender ShortDot 1-8x24, on the hand, is a unicorn. There were only a few ever made (all hand made) for T&E (for the same contract). They are all in civilian hands now. This is per S&B USA. If you know where to get one, by all means, let me know.  |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:29:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: G_MAN]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy:
The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. Both look FDE to me. Some are WAY darker than others, I've owner 6 different RIS II rails and the FDE color was all over the place, and obviously there all the aspects of photography to consider. edit: actually, the bottom one looks black |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:31:44 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
Both look FDE to me. Some are WAY darker than others, I've owner 6 different RIS II rails and the FDE color was all over the place, and obviously there all the aspects of photography to consider. edit: actually, the bottom one looks black Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. Both look FDE to me. Some are WAY darker than others, I've owner 6 different RIS II rails and the FDE color was all over the place, and obviously there all the aspects of photography to consider. edit: actually, the bottom one looks black The bottom one is black and it belonged to member Stukas87. That rail was a personal purchase though, not issued. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:35:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
The bottom one is black and it belonged to member Stukas87. That rail was a personal purchase though, not issued. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. Both look FDE to me. Some are WAY darker than others, I've owner 6 different RIS II rails and the FDE color was all over the place, and obviously there all the aspects of photography to consider. edit: actually, the bottom one looks black The bottom one is black and it belonged to member Stukas87. That rail was a personal purchase though, not issued. I don't recall ever seeing a pic of a issued black rail. I'd say only FDE is kosher |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 1:57:18 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg Who cares? Buy a black one and paint it! 
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Posted: 1/8/2015 3:08:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ihcnehc: Leupold MK8 CQBSS wouldn't have existed without the SOCOM contract. CQBSS is also used by USMC. Schmidt & Bender ShortDot 1-8x24, on the hand, is a unicorn. There were only a few ever made (all hand made) for T&E (for the same contract). They are all in civilian hands now. This is per S&B USA. If you know where to get one, by all means, let me know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ihcnehc: Originally Posted By AR15USA: Is Leupold MK8 clone correct? I have the block II upper ready, but I am debating whether to get MK8 or the new Schmidt Bender PII 1-8x24. Leupold MK8 CQBSS wouldn't have existed without the SOCOM contract. CQBSS is also used by USMC. Schmidt & Bender ShortDot 1-8x24, on the hand, is a unicorn. There were only a few ever made (all hand made) for T&E (for the same contract). They are all in civilian hands now. This is per S&B USA. If you know where to get one, by all means, let me know. lulz. Tan belt MARSOC |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 4:02:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thornejc]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
I vaguely remember another "0000000000" SKU showed up in one of these BK II threads awhile back. think it was the same situation, gubmint' cheese. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Without seeing others direct from DD like that, I just wouldn't feel right about it. I hope its legit, and I'm not trying to shit in your Wheaties, it just would bother me. Particularly with that SKU on the box. If indeed you have a Govt part, that would be the coolest shit ever. I vaguely remember another "0000000000" SKU showed up in one of these BK II threads awhile back. think it was the same situation, gubmint' cheese. I had one come with an all 0 SKU... def not gov tho. Black MK18 length ris ii. I'll post a pic when i get home I thought it was odd so i contacted DD about it and they said it was g2g. 
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:12:48 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg If you have one just cerakote it the correct color. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 5:20:51 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Got a new "accessory" for my M4A1 SOPMOD "kit": http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/28B6C5B5-DFA9-40C8-B240-8945736D68BE_zpsiep0tip1.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/B5CF68EF-D4DE-4F1C-BB56-D83E4A1B86A9_zpseywe2n2c.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/06ECDB35-49A9-4475-B6DA-04A34F6EA35D_zpshvo3jgzl.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/8EC47038-5CC3-427F-AB62-9994BB559EDB_zps0srlinug.jpg Incidentally - does anyone have any experiences with this fake ATPIAL at all? http://www.ebay.com/itm/FMA-PEQ-15-LA5-Upgrade-Version-LED-White-Light-Red-Laser-W-IR-Lenses-DE-TB0072-/321623402452?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae23fa7d4 The Engrish is pretty difficult to understand, but I think it means that it does in fact have an IR filter to allow the laser to be used with NODs... While I would love to dedicate an ATPIAL-C to the Simunitions upper, I really don't think that I could justify the cost of that in my lifetime - at least not if I'm paying for it.
For $60, if this will allow me to have an IR CQB training laser in the ATPIAL form factor, it seems like it might be worth a shot for the extremely limited role in which this upper will be used, it doesn't need to be the most effective, powerful, or durable - it just needs to give me CQB distance training tool that can be used with NODs and not damage them. Otherwise, I'll probably just keep my eye out for another LaserMax or Crimson Trace small rail mounted laser for that role, or just swap an ATPIAL-C on when needed. ~Augee Where, may i ask, did you purchase a sim kit for the m4 and the m9? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:17:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Getting closer....Got the BCM 14.5" SOCOM upper in and my RIS IIFSP in today, and put together. Running a Match sight for now until I can find a deal on a KAC 600m. Then I am hoping to pic up an Elcan. Always, pic thread...
And here with the little brother, my MK18ish 10.3"...I must say the rail is quite a bit darker than I was expecting. 
The rail didn't come with any ladder covers. Anyone know where to get some like the ones that were supposed to come with the rail? |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:26:48 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OilfieldTrash78:
Getting closer....Got the BCM 14.5" SOCOM upper in and my RIS IIFSP in today, and put together. Running a Match sight for now until I can find a deal on a KAC 600m. Then I am hoping to pic up an Elcan. Always, pic thread... http://i.imgur.com/2TlLvA2.jpg?1 And here with the little brother, my MK18ish 10.3"...I must say the rail is quite a bit darker than I was expecting. http://i.imgur.com/butrb5D.jpg The rail didn't come with any ladder covers. Anyone know where to get some like the ones that were supposed to come with the rail? I got some Magpul ladder covers from DSG Arms, but I imagine they are available just about everywhere. |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:29:21 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thornejc:
I had one come with an all 0 SKU... def not gov tho. Black MK18 length ris ii. I'll post a pic when i get home I thought it was odd so i contacted DD about it and they said it was g2g. http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r775/bornSINNERintermediates/photo-93_zpsef761271.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thornejc:
Originally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Without seeing others direct from DD like that, I just wouldn't feel right about it. I hope its legit, and I'm not trying to shit in your Wheaties, it just would bother me. Particularly with that SKU on the box. If indeed you have a Govt part, that would be the coolest shit ever. I vaguely remember another "0000000000" SKU showed up in one of these BK II threads awhile back. think it was the same situation, gubmint' cheese. I had one come with an all 0 SKU... def not gov tho. Black MK18 length ris ii. I'll post a pic when i get home I thought it was odd so i contacted DD about it and they said it was g2g. http://i1366.photobucket.com/albums/r775/bornSINNERintermediates/photo-93_zpsef761271.jpg I can honestly say i've never looked at the SKU but i was more intrigued by the different description between the two m4a1 RIS boxes i had and the one being labeled "Govt". |
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Posted: 1/8/2015 6:33:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
The bottom one is black and it belonged to member Stukas87. That rail was a personal purchase though, not issued. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Are black FSP rails kosher for a clone build, recall having seen a couple pictures of black ones in use, like these. <a href="http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/augeekim/media/FSP.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/FSP.png</a> http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jeff_Gurwitch_AR-15_M4A1_Carbine_Tactical_Accessories_DefenseReview.com_DR_Pic_A.jpg The top pic looks like an FDE rail to me. Both look FDE to me. Some are WAY darker than others, I've owner 6 different RIS II rails and the FDE color was all over the place, and obviously there all the aspects of photography to consider. edit: actually, the bottom one looks black The bottom one is black and it belonged to member Stukas87. That rail was a personal purchase though, not issued. Beat me to it. The bottom picture was a personally purchased rail (I believe Augee has talked about this one as well), the top picture is definitely FDE. |
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