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Originally Posted By coregon: That is how NGSW is being delivered (After end user feedback), so it will be the configuration going forward. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By call_me_ski: Is the 6.8 without the forward assist gonna be a limited edition item or regular production? That is how NGSW is being delivered (After end user feedback), so it will be the configuration going forward. @coregon Is the commercial NG68SPEAR-QD suppressor identical to the .mil issued version? |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: @coregon Is the commercial NG68SPEAR-QD suppressor identical to the .mil issued version? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By call_me_ski: Is the 6.8 without the forward assist gonna be a limited edition item or regular production? That is how NGSW is being delivered (After end user feedback), so it will be the configuration going forward. @coregon Is the commercial NG68SPEAR-QD suppressor identical to the .mil issued version? As identical as it gets. |
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Just to make it clear, what are the differences between the new MCX Spear and the civilian .308?
What's the effettive weight difference without mag? Are civilian .308 Spear forward compatible with everything from the new 6.8 iteration, including barrel swaps? https://youtu.be/8S2avZI58v8?si=N2HensnkaGw_F3fp A sales manager here reports that there have been more internal changes, not allowing barrel kit compatibility. |
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Originally Posted By Helvet: Just to make it clear, what are the differences between the new MCX Spear and the civilian .308? What's the effettive weight difference without mag? Are civilian .308 Spear forward compatible with everything from the new 6.8 iteration, including barrel swaps? https://youtu.be/8S2avZI58v8?si=N2HensnkaGw_F3fp A sales manager here reports that there have been more internal changes, not allowing barrel kit compatibility. View Quote Just watched it. Hope he misspoke, a lot of us have been waiting for barrels, and he's saying "no" and that even the lower receiver is different. |
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Originally Posted By Roadblock: Just watched it. Hope he misspoke, a lot of us have been waiting for barrels, and he's saying "no" and that even the lower receiver is different. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Roadblock: Originally Posted By Helvet: Just to make it clear, what are the differences between the new MCX Spear and the civilian .308? What's the effettive weight difference without mag? Are civilian .308 Spear forward compatible with everything from the new 6.8 iteration, including barrel swaps? https://youtu.be/8S2avZI58v8?si=N2HensnkaGw_F3fp A sales manager here reports that there have been more internal changes, not allowing barrel kit compatibility. Just watched it. Hope he misspoke, a lot of us have been waiting for barrels, and he's saying "no" and that even the lower receiver is different. Sounds like he needs a refresher course … |
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Originally Posted By thehun06: Sounds like he needs a refresher course … View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By Roadblock: Originally Posted By Helvet: Just to make it clear, what are the differences between the new MCX Spear and the civilian .308? What's the effettive weight difference without mag? Are civilian .308 Spear forward compatible with everything from the new 6.8 iteration, including barrel swaps? https://youtu.be/8S2avZI58v8?si=N2HensnkaGw_F3fp A sales manager here reports that there have been more internal changes, not allowing barrel kit compatibility. Just watched it. Hope he misspoke, a lot of us have been waiting for barrels, and he's saying "no" and that even the lower receiver is different. Sounds like he needs a refresher course … That or he is meaning the buffer in the lower will need to be swapped too. It's retained by a screw, so unless SIG did a drastic overhaul, it should be swappable. As is, the youtube individual cut off the SIG rep mid sentence on what differences there were. |
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Originally Posted By Helvet: Just to make it clear, what are the differences between the new MCX Spear and the civilian .308? What's the effettive weight difference without mag? Are civilian .308 Spear forward compatible with everything from the new 6.8 iteration, including barrel swaps? https://youtu.be/8S2avZI58v8?si=N2HensnkaGw_F3fp A sales manager here reports that there have been more internal changes, not allowing barrel kit compatibility. View Quote He might as well be confusing with the very first batch, the one that was submitted for the trials and sold to civilians in 6.5 Creedmore. But I really want to make sure I got it right and everything is forward compatible before getting one myself. The sales manager also talked about a lot of weight reduction, so I'm trying to understand if the forward assist Is really the only weight cutting change made to the rifle, or if I am really missing some internal difference. |
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Originally Posted By coregon: That is how NGSW is being delivered (After end user feedback), so it will be the configuration going forward. View Quote @coregon Will the existing line of .308 and 6.5CM guns be updated to the XM7's current configuration? I really, really like the slick sided upper and new rail but I have zero interested in .277 fury. |
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Mike_Golf says: "You're not an ethical hunter and likely an asshole to boot."
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Guns don't kill people, the gubbermint does.
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Ordered my XM7 SBR on Wednesday. I think I’ll end up selling my SCAR.
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What a long strange trip it's been...
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@coregon
Is there going to be a 6.5 Creedmoor commercial version of the carbine? |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Alrighty folks, I'm at a loss. Range trip number two for my Spear, and if anything, the problems got worse. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449375_d0cfa3f17d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267848_383988e6dc_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358444_c605007f4b_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267808_618aee3512_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449320_8fd4825949_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358499_1715679df4_c.jpg Out of about 350rds downrange today, upwards of 10% had feeding issues of one type or another. The last picture shows the ones that were damaged enough I didn't apply "if it seats, it yeets" to. More were only slightly dinged, or just didn't feed and were shot. The Spear is new; this is its second trip to the range. First trip also had the same issues. Total rounds through the rifle is approximately 550-600. Mags are new, ammo is all factory from 4 manufacturers (Winchester/Lake City, PPU, PMC, and IMI), and the problem also occurred last time with Hornady Z-Max and Federal Gold Medal Match. The same problem occurs whether the rifle is being fired prone supported, seated, standing, etc. Kit/no kit also doesn't matter. It's not every mag, but ebbs and flows, sometimes back to back, and other times with a couple of functional mags worth between issues. Usually on the last or next to last round in the mag, but not always. Any ideas, or is this going to have to go back to Sig? View Quote My 10rd Magpul PMags are doing the same thing, my Lancer mags are not. |
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At this point ... I would def open an RMA and share those pictures with Sig ... better go back to the mother ship before you waste more time and money ...
For what its worth ... I've had to send back 3 SCARs to the mothership back to back to back before ... ![]() |
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Originally Posted By thehun06: At this point ... I would def open an RMA and share those pictures with Sig ... better go back to the mother ship before you waste more time and money ... For what its worth ... I've had to send back 3 SCARs to the mothership back to back to back before ... ![]() View Quote That's the plan at this point. Ironically, I've never had any issue with my SCARs. I was planning on taking the Spear to a carbine class in a couple of weeks, but it looks like the SCAR will have to step up and take over for that. |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Alrighty folks, I'm at a loss. Range trip number two for my Spear, and if anything, the problems got worse. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449375_d0cfa3f17d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267848_383988e6dc_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358444_c605007f4b_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267808_618aee3512_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449320_8fd4825949_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358499_1715679df4_c.jpg Out of about 350rds downrange today, upwards of 10% had feeding issues of one type or another. The last picture shows the ones that were damaged enough I didn't apply "if it seats, it yeets" to. More were only slightly dinged, or just didn't feed and were shot. The Spear is new; this is its second trip to the range. First trip also had the same issues. Total rounds through the rifle is approximately 550-600. Mags are new, ammo is all factory from 4 manufacturers (Winchester/Lake City, PPU, PMC, and IMI), and the problem also occurred last time with Hornady Z-Max and Federal Gold Medal Match. The same problem occurs whether the rifle is being fired prone supported, seated, standing, etc. Kit/no kit also doesn't matter. It's not every mag, but ebbs and flows, sometimes back to back, and other times with a couple of functional mags worth between issues. Usually on the last or next to last round in the mag, but not always. Any ideas, or is this going to have to go back to Sig? View Quote Dang. That stinks. I hate that you're going through this but I hope it's an isolated case. I have thirteen Magpul mags that I'm gonna use with my Spear. |
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Originally Posted By SPTiger: Dang. That stinks. I hate that you're going through this but I hope it's an isolated case. I have thirteen Magpul mags that I'm gonna use with my Spear. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SPTiger: Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Alrighty folks, I'm at a loss. Range trip number two for my Spear, and if anything, the problems got worse. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449375_d0cfa3f17d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267848_383988e6dc_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358444_c605007f4b_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267808_618aee3512_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449320_8fd4825949_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358499_1715679df4_c.jpg Out of about 350rds downrange today, upwards of 10% had feeding issues of one type or another. The last picture shows the ones that were damaged enough I didn't apply "if it seats, it yeets" to. More were only slightly dinged, or just didn't feed and were shot. The Spear is new; this is its second trip to the range. First trip also had the same issues. Total rounds through the rifle is approximately 550-600. Mags are new, ammo is all factory from 4 manufacturers (Winchester/Lake City, PPU, PMC, and IMI), and the problem also occurred last time with Hornady Z-Max and Federal Gold Medal Match. The same problem occurs whether the rifle is being fired prone supported, seated, standing, etc. Kit/no kit also doesn't matter. It's not every mag, but ebbs and flows, sometimes back to back, and other times with a couple of functional mags worth between issues. Usually on the last or next to last round in the mag, but not always. Any ideas, or is this going to have to go back to Sig? Dang. That stinks. I hate that you're going through this but I hope it's an isolated case. I have thirteen Magpul mags that I'm gonna use with my Spear. Few hundred rounds through my 13" with Lancer and PMAGs. No issues to report. Every company makes a lemon, SIG will make it right. Sucks for sure though. I had a 11.5" 5.56 Virtus that had cycling issues, SIG fixed it up fast. |
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I’ve put about 200 rounds through my spear of 308 with zero issues using PMAGS only.
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Sig got back with me this morning. Basically "that sucks, send it back". We'll see what they say once they get their hands on it.
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Had my first part breakage today. Side charging handle spring either slipped out or sheared and is now dangling with no spring tension.
Can get a pic up later but should be an easy enough fix. Looks like a c clip holds the pin in place, should be able to pull that and remove the pin to get to the side charging handle spring. |
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Originally Posted By Zerlak: Had my first part breakage today. Side charging handle spring either slipped out or sheared and is now dangling with no spring tension. Can get a pic up later but should be an easy enough fix. Looks like a c clip holds the pin in place, should be able to pull that and remove the pin to get to the side charging handle spring. View Quote Pic? |
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Originally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By Zerlak: Had my first part breakage today. Side charging handle spring either slipped out or sheared and is now dangling with no spring tension. Can get a pic up later but should be an easy enough fix. Looks like a c clip holds the pin in place, should be able to pull that and remove the pin to get to the side charging handle spring. Pic? https://imgur.com/jS45k2o https://imgur.com/QdFHdd9 https://imgur.com/OfphHEO |
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I want to get that new charging handle when it's available, and apparently a couple spare springs! Yikes!
I bet SIG will send you a couple of those springs! Hell, I'd call CS and ask nicely for one of the new charging handles! You know, since you got to take it apart anyway! Easier to just swap out the whole handle than try to take it apart and put in a spring, right, cough?! |
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Yeah. Sig CS should take care of you.
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Just had a chat with SIG, they want to look at the failure and are requesting the full firearm to be sent in.
Seems I'm the first that had this issue, for this rep at least. |
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Does anyone have the bolt catch not working when shooting the rifle resting on a pmag?
I ordered two lancer mags as I had the over insertion problem, and was wondering if they also fix this issue. |
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Originally Posted By Helvet: Does anyone have the bolt catch not working when shooting the rifle resting on a pmag? I ordered two lancer mags as I had the over insertion problem, and was wondering if they also fix this issue. View Quote I have tried and tried to induce malfunctions and issues with the PMAG ... no issues on my end regarding PMAGs |
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Went into work yesterday to find a Spear sitting on my desk. (joys of working at an FFL) Turns out, Sig didn't bother trying to figure out what was wrong with mine, they just sent a new one as a replacement. Really would have liked to know what was wrong with the first one, but at least I've got a new gun to play with. Gotta build up my .308/7.62 stash again, and I can try to break this one in. Hopefully it goes better than with the first one.
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https://www.weaponsandwar.tv/videos/20240718-sig-spear-11
Pretty good review and yes the gassing is way overgassed in my opinion on the Spear ... brake and a suppressor is really a must but man ... I want someone to make an adjustable gas plug ... I disagree that it isn't a good civilian weapon ... |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Got the new Spear set up. Decided to leave the Sig MSR on my SCAR for now, as I think it has the accuracy to really take advantage of the 10x, while I'm not sure the Spear does. We'll see. I might switch back, or I might end up going the other way and just use an EOTech and magnifier on it. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53879490377_1ab132d807_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53880727149_ee81b273c9_c.jpg View Quote Nice! Double check your torque on the barrel screws ... I always do ... regardless if its a SCAR or Spear ... one time my SCAR barrel screws from factory were set to 15 inch/lbs ... so every since then ... I check it ... |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Got the new Spear set up. Decided to leave the Sig MSR on my SCAR for now, as I think it has the accuracy to really take advantage of the 10x, while I'm not sure the Spear does. We'll see. I might switch back, or I might end up going the other way and just use an EOTech and magnifier on it. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53879490377_1ab132d807_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53880727149_ee81b273c9_c.jpg View Quote Nice! My Spear malfunctioned twice like yours did, both times with the bolt slamming into the cartridge case. It was with two different Magpul mags and two different kinds of ammo. Both times it happened I was using a suppressor. So far I've fired just under 100 rounds through it, with three malfunctions. The third malfunction was my fault I think. I was shooting prone with the mag against the ground. The front of the mag went high enough into the well to keep the spent case from coming out, and the next round slammed into the back of the spent case. I had to take a cleaning rod and beat the damn spent case out. It hasn't happened again, but I was ready to throw the rifle in the trash until I realized it was more than likely my fault. I haven't been able to replicate that malfunction. But I will say shooting this with a standard suppressor is absolutely brutal. I hope I don't develop lung cancer before I can get a flow through suppressor. |
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Better to have and not need than need and not have
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Talked to KNS and the Spear 308 is on the short list to get one of their adjustable gas plugs made for it ... so lets hope that comes out sooner than later ...
If we all ask about it via their contact page ... I think it will help get that project started on their end faster ... demand drives supply .. |
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Originally Posted By thehun06: Talked to KNS and the Spear 308 is on the short list to get one of their adjustable gas plugs made for it ... so lets hope that comes out sooner than later ... If we all ask about it via their contact page ... I think it will help get that project started on their end faster ... demand drives supply .. View Quote Done! Maybe this will come sooner than later. In the meantime, I've ordered a Huxwrx 762 Flow Ti from Capitol Armory. I put three mags through my Spear the other day and my face looked like I'd been working in the coal mines. Hopefully the Huxwrx can will take care of that. |
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Better to have and not need than need and not have
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Guns don't kill people, the gubbermint does.
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My SPEAR shipped. Excited to check it out when it gets to the shop. Hopefully the paperwork moves quickly.
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What a long strange trip it's been...
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Originally Posted By thehun06: Talked to KNS and the Spear 308 is on the short list to get one of their adjustable gas plugs made for it ... so lets hope that comes out sooner than later ... If we all ask about it via their contact page ... I think it will help get that project started on their end faster ... demand drives supply .. View Quote |
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SIG received my Spear yesterday morning and have already dropped it off with FedEx today.
Fastest warranty turnaround time I've ever seen. Currently arriving Tuesday, hopefully with a fixed spring/charging handle. |
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Originally Posted By Alpha-17: Alrighty folks, I'm at a loss. Range trip number two for my Spear, and if anything, the problems got worse. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449375_d0cfa3f17d_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267848_383988e6dc_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358444_c605007f4b_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840267808_618aee3512_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840449320_8fd4825949_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53840358499_1715679df4_c.jpg Out of about 350rds downrange today, upwards of 10% had feeding issues of one type or another. The last picture shows the ones that were damaged enough I didn't apply "if it seats, it yeets" to. More were only slightly dinged, or just didn't feed and were shot. The Spear is new; this is its second trip to the range. First trip also had the same issues. Total rounds through the rifle is approximately 550-600. Mags are new, ammo is all factory from 4 manufacturers (Winchester/Lake City, PPU, PMC, and IMI), and the problem also occurred last time with Hornady Z-Max and Federal Gold Medal Match. The same problem occurs whether the rifle is being fired prone supported, seated, standing, etc. Kit/no kit also doesn't matter. It's not every mag, but ebbs and flows, sometimes back to back, and other times with a couple of functional mags worth between issues. Usually on the last or next to last round in the mag, but not always. Any ideas, or is this going to have to go back to Sig? View Quote Second range day, literally had the same problem. 6 FTF out of 60 rounds shot with lancer mags. Bolt catch also working inconsistently, closing also when the last round is shot and the mag is empty. Sent an email today to my Sig Sauer official importer, let's see how it goes. |
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Originally Posted By Helvet: Second range day, literally had the same problem. 6 FTF out of 60 rounds shot with lancer mags. Bolt catch also working inconsistently, closing also when the last round is shot and the mag is empty. Sent an email today to my Sig Sauer official importer, let's see how it goes. View Quote I exclusively bought the 6.8x51 magazines for my 7.62x51, and they run flawlessly. I have some minor issues with 20 round Magpul Pmags and the 10 round Pmags are 100% non-functional, they just keep crushing rounds. Side note, I ran every single crushed round I had through my Spear with the forward assist, cough. Square peg in a round hole but if it fit, it shipped! |
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Originally Posted By Roadblock: Which Lancer mags are you running? I exclusively bought the 6.8x51 magazines for my 7.62x51, and they run flawlessly. I have some minor issues with 20 round Magpul Pmags and the 10 round Pmags are 100% non-functional, they just keep crushing rounds. Side note, I ran every single crushed round I had through my Spear with the forward assist, cough. Square peg in a round hole but if it fit, it shipped! View Quote I'm running L7AWM, L6 are not available in Switzerland at the moment unfortunately. Couple notes: First range trip with Magpul 20rds I didn't have FTF issues, but the bolt catch was working inconsistently. My mistake was not taking both yesterday as I thought that Lancer would solve the issues. The feed issues are exactly as pictured by the other user, where the rounds get sometimes stuck and bent under the Bolt, and sometimes just scratched without ever leaving the mag. Another difference is that this time I was running an M4-72 brake. Don't know how this could mess up things, but worth adding this variable. Last but not least, I noticed that the gas settings in the manual are "Normal" and "Adverse", with the valve being canted to the left or to the right. If I check my gas block, the settings are "Normal" and "Suppressed", with the normal setting having the valve perfectly vertical at zero degrees, and the suppressed setting with the valve canted 45 degrees to the right. Might probably give It another try with Magpul before sending it to Sig and see how it runs, but the fact that some people tried to force over insertion with pmags without success while I easily could sounds like a red flag to me. https://imgur.com/a/U6yYHy2 |
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Submitted my paperwork for my Form 4 on the SBR today. We'll see how long this takes to get approved. At some point I'll stop by the shop to check it out.
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