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Originally Posted By ErikS:
It is almost funny, he is building rockets (Boilerplates) in a field for pennies and NASA built a giant building just to assemble them in. Musk is spending money where it makes the most sense. Of course you run the risk of it tipping over. Oooops. View Quote SLS-style bloated projects that have 12,388 suppliers in 57 states that has to be perfect on the first try and simulated ad nauseum is why the thing hasn't flown after $25 billion and almost a decade of development in spite of having a fuckton of shuttle hand-me-downs. |
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: Fast iteration is what got us to from first orbit to the moon in under a decade. SLS-style bloated projects that have 12,388 suppliers in 57 states that has to be perfect on the first try and simulated ad nauseum is why the thing hasn't flown after $25 billion and almost a decade of development in spite of having a fuckton of shuttle hand-me-downs. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By theskuh:
yea i just hope they didnt cut too many corners to get the thing "complete". I am guessing there is a shitload of welding that has to go on inside that probably could have been done when it was split. But not sure how much cooler it would have been. Seems like that thing will be toasty to work inside. View Quote This is a rough prototype, it weighs 200 tonnes empty... The production ones will weigh 120 tonnes empty. |
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: If they need to, they'll just take it apart after the presentation and do what needs to be done. This is a rough prototype, it weighs 200 tonnes empty... The production ones will weigh 120 tonnes empty. View Quote |
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GD is talented. If you are butt hurtable, someone will hurt your butt. . - 74novaman
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Originally Posted By theskuh:
oh yea. Hadn't thought of peeling it back a part. I saw that and thats a lot if weight to save. Wondering where it will come from. View Quote They'll test it, see where they can cut weight, build a new lighter one, test it, see where they can cut weight, build a new lighter one.... |
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Originally Posted By theskuh:
oh yea. Hadn't thought of peeling it back a part. I saw that and thats a lot if weight to save. Wondering where it will come from. View Quote |
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
more exotic materials. the stainless they are using in the prototype is likely not what teh stainless that the actual vehicle will be made of. etc etc View Quote This is a "minimum viable product" to prove the concept. |
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: Most of the weight savings is just going to come from using thinner SS... It's purposely overbuilt. Lighter primary structure will make everything else lighter as well (wings, actuators, legs, etc.) This is a "minimum viable product" to prove the concept. View Quote I know what this is ![]() |
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Coyote with 40 people crammed into a minivan gets into a chase with DPS, Paco over estimates his driving abilities and *whmmo!* the Astrovan of Immigration becomes a Pinata of Pain, hurling broken bodies like so many tasty pieces of cheap candy...
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Originally Posted By Chokey:
View Quote Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! |
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Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! View Quote |
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anyone have any idea when the presentation tomorrow will be?
I hope it'll be live streamed on SpaceX's youtube channel... but I can't assume that. |
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be ascribed to sheer stupidity." LTC (CENTCOM)
"Round is a shape, right? I have the body of a god...Just happens to be Buddah! Az_Redneck |
Originally Posted By BigPony:
When you see them saying that, tell them it is the first steps towards fixing earth. It will allow us to eventually do all of our mining resources off-world and even over time lose a small percentage of the population. All great for the planet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BigPony:
Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. |
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"Never attribute to malice that which can be ascribed to sheer stupidity." LTC (CENTCOM)
"Round is a shape, right? I have the body of a god...Just happens to be Buddah! Az_Redneck |
I suppose it is possible to convey more ignorance with less words, but I doubt I will ever see it in my lifetime.--Bohr Adam
If LAV promotes using the slide lock/release to chamber a round after a mag change, then he should be ignored.-MP0117 |
Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
also manufacturing. There's no atmosphere to mess up on the Moon. And on Mars any gases vented from manufacturing would be beneficial. Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. View Quote |
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This may have been posted, but I thought it was interesting. This will be the engine configuration, with 3 (smaller) Raptor bells tuned for the most efficiency in the atmosphere, and 3 larger ones with bells tuned for efficient space use.
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WTF...
I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. |
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"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -Dark Helmet
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Originally Posted By Chokey:
here we go, lifting the top now ![]() View Quote Oh, and for you trivia fans, what country was Elon's grandfather forced out of? |
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick:
WTF... I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. View Quote Not to mention the SLS boondoggle. |
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Capitalism: God's way of determining who is smart, and who is poor.
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"...Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they came from his lips, the whole civilized world would now have been Christian...." - Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick:
WTF... I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BigPony: Try pretty much 3 decades since inception. They just got the big boost to try to get it going under Artemis a decade ago. Before that it was for the cancelled Constellation. It has basically been a NASA works project for a lot of engineers entire careers. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Tolip:
This may have been posted, but I thought it was interesting. This will be the engine configuration, with 3 (smaller) Raptor bells tuned for the most efficiency in the atmosphere, and 3 larger ones with bells tuned for efficient space use. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/80189/eed95630e76c7afa7ca310dca79ddd6b_jpg-1105044.JPG View Quote |
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GD is talented. If you are butt hurtable, someone will hurt your butt. . - 74novaman
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
You should see the comments on SpaceX articles on Facebook, full of flat earth earthers ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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"When you call the cops to raise your kids, don't be surprised when they try to pack 20 years into 5 minutes." - RealFastV6
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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:
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"When you call the cops to raise your kids, don't be surprised when they try to pack 20 years into 5 minutes." - RealFastV6
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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:
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GD is talented. If you are butt hurtable, someone will hurt your butt. . - 74novaman
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Originally Posted By DCV_117: Boeing is not building rockets in fields and yet they are just as behind as SpaceX is with the commercial crew program AND they have been paid WAY more money. Not to mention the SLS boondoggle. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
also manufacturing. There's no atmosphere to mess up on the Moon. And on Mars any gases vented from manufacturing would be beneficial. Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion:
Originally Posted By BigPony:
Originally Posted By JAG2955:
Holy balls, there are a lot of whiny eco-dipshits on his page. Fix Earth before we ruin other planets! Derp! Move Mining to asteroids and refining & manufacturing to the Moon and Mars. That along with the population to run such operations would significantly reduce pollution and over population on Earth. No need for draconian enviro-wacko socialist evil dystopian controlling regulations. |
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Originally Posted By hoosierhick:
WTF... I think he needs to get his own house in order before he starts calling out others. View Quote ![]() |
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Originally Posted By RockMech: Most likely the case.....but his delivery was....dumb. View Quote Also, part of the reason they are behind is past goal post moving FROM NASA. |
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
Just think about how mad he's going to be when he finds out how SLS is coming along ![]() View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BigPony: Problem is, this is the second time he has done something like this where he has singled out Space X, while Boeing has received far more money and is much further behind and it is radio silence to them. Rumors are he has a nice cushy job lined up with Boeing after he leaves NASA as well. Also, part of the reason they are behind is past goal post moving FROM NASA. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By BigPony: Problem is, this is the second time he has done something like this where he has singled out Space X, while Boeing has received far more money and is much further behind and it is radio silence to them. Rumors are he has a nice cushy job lined up with Boeing after he leaves NASA as well. Also, part of the reason they are behind is past goal post moving FROM NASA. View Quote |
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"Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -Dark Helmet
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/86377/0895AC9E-0D5B-4D0C-8A75-A28E7D36557D_jpeg-1105317.JPG View Quote I mean I can't imagine tipping that thing and trucking it somewhere. |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
Are they just gonna fly it from there? I mean I can't imagine tipping that thing and trucking it somewhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/86377/0895AC9E-0D5B-4D0C-8A75-A28E7D36557D_jpeg-1105317.JPG I mean I can't imagine tipping that thing and trucking it somewhere. |
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Capitalism: God's way of determining who is smart, and who is poor.
Instagram: @gunned_guy |
Originally Posted By hoosierhick: I didn't take that as singling out SpaceX, seeing how he called out the commercial crew program as a whole. A case could be made that it's a bigger shot at Boeing (this it what your competitor is doing in addition to commercial crew, what's your excuse?). But NASA really has no leg to stand on to complain about programs behind schedule and over budget. View Quote |
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That has to be just a poorly worded statement
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