Well duh. I kinda just let tht comment run its course but it's not what I meant...obviously there are "FSP" models of ff rails that allow you to use a FSP; but the full free float rails like the ones pictured above require the removal of that standard FSP and the installation of a low profile front buis...sorta the point of getting a rail like that is so you can have an optic unobtructed across the top...that's more of an opinion though.




I have an older black m3x on mine now actually, it's the "switch" long gun back plate, not the newer push button long gun back plate.

The m6x with laser is actually part of the sopmod kit

Of course you meant WAP

Hmmm played around tonight with the stock's



Do I leave the girl with a slender rear?



Or leave her with this nice fat non facial hair pulling B5 ?






Fudge that B5 is suppose to be for my AFSOC build!



Does this mean I need to order another one but FDE from aim's

Yes. Order tonight so you have it by Saturday

At least you have the correct front sight. Half the SOBs on here won't buy one lol

Stop putting idea's in my mind




I look at that thing and still go HTF is it worth $185.00 . But then I say to myself I want to be as close & exact as I can with the whore of a carbine.

Correct

KAC taupe front sight
DD RIS II Taupe
Buffer tube
Stock body wether it be the B5 or gen 2 LMT ( think it'll be in the EE soon )

Incorrect

BCM BFH mid lenght 16 with shaved FSB

Still need a Rear buis . Try to make up my mind on which one to order from New AR guy. KAC stand 300 or KAC 2-600 ( dont really shoot irons past 100 yds ) & micro or std ( grumble's )

And a scope like a  ACOG nice & not to pricey unlike a ELCANwhich  require's me to keep saving longer unless for a black model unless I went el cheapo with a incorrect elcan OS 4x with a RMR on top.


God this place should be a tax write off

FU!



 

I do write off a lot of this crap - work expenses for being an infantryman and all

I so hate you right now  

Fuck I might join just for that.



 

Did I mention already in this thread that I can order brown Elcans like they were black ones?

Yes & god you suck ( lol )







Thats it Im going to sleep and dreaming  of my own FDE elcan specterDR  with working knob's & no o=ring issue's

Must be nice...i'd like to get my hands on one of those.

Very nice. I almost bought that same upper from BCM too.



I don't know that mine would qualify as a clone from what I have read in here, but I don't really care. I wouldn't change a thing.









 

The upper started off as one of the BFH with FSB and sat in the safe for a while.

And back in august I ordered a M4 14.5 BCM upper from a vendor and it had a permed battle comp on it so I looked at the 16"  BFH mocking me & for $50.00 later (shaved fsb & rail install ) and now she sit's like she is .


Oh yeah matty you suck. Some how between midnight and this morning a B5 FDE was ordered


Support group my ass!

Looks great. My next one (have all the parts, just need to send the upper away for assembly, pinning of gas block and FH) will be almost the same but with a Centurion Arms 14.5"' barrel, taupe front sight, and 200-600m rear sight.





Very sweet!

"Professional development expense."  

Just got mine together last night too, like thebomber I'm still playing with configuration, and no trigger time yet (it's been less than twenty four hours, give me a break!  ).  No BUIS at all on mine for now.  Once I settle on a final configuration, and if that configuration allows a rear BUIS on the receiver... then we'll think about dropping another chunk of change on some KAC sights.    

I too got rid of my LT100 4x DOS mount, but not because it was out of spec - the mounting is "offset" though from a standard ACOG TA51 mount by about 1/2".  Nothing to scoff at when the eye relief on a 4x32 ACOG is 1.5"!  

I've got three 4x32 ACOGs, and I basically never remove them, so the QD feature was a wash - it didn't make sense to either upgrade them all, or have one that was in a slightly different position.  I think I literally traded someone the LT mount "one for one" for a TA51.  

~Augee

I would call it a damn near perfect "clone."  All the basic details are correct - the only things that have been changed are easy to change end-user items.  

~Augee

Got in my graduation present to myself, complete LMT lower with tan sopmod. Plan is to sbr this for a future mk18 clone, but in the mean time I plan to use it on my block II clone to make a close clone. Working on dropping a geiselle ssa in it to match my other ar's, but this is by far the nicest lower I have. Finish and machining are very nice and seems to be better than my colt lower.

I orginally wanted to upgrade to the non fsp version of the ris II rail, but the fsp version has really grown on me. I'm planning to pick up another kac micro rear buis and this rifle will be complete.

I like the FDE Elcan a lot, but won't be eligible to buy one until I am .mil (hopefully not too much longer) I called to try to get one yesterday.

As for the BUIS, I sold my front and am trying to sell the rear sight. I never use them or even foresee myself using them.

I think the RIS II FSP's primary purpose might be "gateway drug."  

Now that I've got my non-FSP, I think the one I got from Stottman is going up on the EE soon.  Let's see how many rifles it can show up on in this thread!  

~Augee

To those using it, how are you liking the M3X?  I'm on the precipice of purchasing a light and I am torn between the M3X tape switch version (which I have no experience with) and a tan Surefire scout, (300 or 600).  I know the Insight is more "clone" appropriate, but I'm more worried about functionality.

I like the m3x, some have said they prefer the SF lights because of their light output.

I guess Charlie from operation parts ordered one more RIS II when he ordered mine from DD. There is one left and it qualifies for free shipping for those who want it.

If you want a straight out of the SOPMOD program light, go for the Insight but I'm sure there are no objections to having a Surefire on your gun as there have been a crap load of pictures of block II rifles with Surefire Scouts and X300's.

so, probably a dumb question(pretty sure its been talked about but dont want to go through the whole thread... and im sure someone could fire it off without even looking it up...)

but, is the correct flash hider the surefire FH556-215A?(the 3 prong one?)

im seeing alot of these with FH556-212A and was just wondering.   I AM NOT TRYING TO START A "whats right and whats not spec" ARGUMENT, just a question.  i personally think both look good( i just get looks and function as a brake-i cant own suppressors)

thanks

and ill post a pic of mine shortly
and i have to say there are alot of really nice looking rifles here!!!

The FH556-215A is the correct one but most people choose the 212A because the 215A rings like a tuning fork. I myself don't mind the pinging noise of the 215A as well as the flash reduction on the 215 is greater so it works out for me in the end.

thank you very much.  i too dont mind the prong style, actually shot one and didnt hear any "ping" at all

Started my second Block II today for my wife to use. LMT stock kit, PSA M4A1 HF upper. Now, I just need to find a used RIS II.

If you don't mind an FSP one I think Augee was selling his. Very hard to come upon a RIS II (especially the non FSP version) on the EE or any other sale board.

So, I'm browsing teh interwebz looking for the correct M3X and it seems difficult to find one with a tape switch.  It'll be listed as the "long gun, push button" type, but the picture and description show nothing about the tape switch.  Anyone have a line on where to get the correct one?

She's not going to be using irons, so the FSP wouldn't really work for this application

I'm sure someone will chime in with a source but I also have a question about the M3X. Is it the slide lock version or is it the screw version? I really like the push button on the M3X as well as it already being set up to accept a tape switch as well as being in tan. Damn Surefire.

Anyone have specs on the newer additions to the  Block II?  

So far I've seen:

FDE EXPS (supplementing or replacing the 553)
FDE Surefire Vampire light
FDE Surefire Raid Light
Surefire 215A mount
FDE Surefire FA556-212 surpressor
Aimpoint micro(?)

I am debating putting together an updated Block II (have the EXPS)...  Anyone have a lead on a DE Surefire surpressor?  Should I just go with Knights (although they have been hard to find as well).

Slide lock




The Long gun push button kit comes with a tape switch, ir filter cap, and extra bulb.

Here, but it's been out of stock for a long time.

Didn't Insight also get the contract for an IR/ White light?

To those who have an nt4 can, do you think it's necessary to use the rocksett on the FH, or will itbe fine without it? Will I be able to take the suppressor off the nt4 mount after a few hundred rounds without the rocksett or will the FH come off with it...

No NT4 but you should use the Rocksett.  Your muzzle device can and will detach without it.



 

Mattyvac - replied to you in the CQBR thread - but I've never used the Rocksett on my suppressor mounts and not had a problem with it.  

I also do only about 50% of my shooting suppressed, though.  

I have had to break the suppressor loose from the comp, though.  

Nevertheless, Neil is absolutely right about the manufacturer's recommendation to use Rocksett and the supplied shims because of the cost and cost of damage and replacement for a consumer.  The military doesn't use any threadlocking compound, and uses crush washers for their mounts, but can replace suppressors much easier organizationally than we can personally.  

~Augee

The SU-233/PVS Gun Light (VBL III) is Insight part number M3X-000-A25 TAN.  It's a slidelock interface with the "Long Gun Push Button" backplate with a tapeswitch interface and "bikini style" filters.  As far as I know, the -A25 kit is still only available for organizational purchase.

The kit most of us are using on our clones is the M3X-000-A23 TAN.  The only difference is the "flip cap" IR filter instead of the bikini filters (available in IR, red, and blue, IIRC).  Honestly, I've very rarely seen the filters in use so it's a moot point for the most part anyways.  

When I first got the M3X, it was because it was the only light compatible with the dual button remote switch - Surefire hadn't yet come out with their version, and after struggling with the use of a seperate light and PEQ switch, I wanted to try out the dual button setup.  

At the time I was on my way over the water and wanted to use the dual button in pre-deployment training so that if I didn't like it I could ditch it before going downrange, so waiting for Surefire was out of the question - even getting the RMT-400-A8 (dual button remote switch) was military-only purchase, and it took a special call to Insight's military sales and it had to be drop shipped to the unit, not me personally.  

Since then, I've gotten both a spare M3X and spare dual button switch and its become a vicious cycle - breaking it would mean a loss of inter-operability with Augee's "legacy" systems.  

Now that Surefire has their dual switch, I do have some M600s that might get a dual switch and some use - but for the time being, I feel that the SU-233 still has some advantages that make me loath to switch back (before the M3X I was using exclusively Surefire lights) completely.

FWIW, it's definitely not output.  

That being said, the Long Gun Push Button backplate offers redundancy and multi-function use over the Surefire Scout series, and I believe the X300 as well.  With the Long Gun Push Button, you can have a tapeswitch plugged in and function, while also retaining push button function.  Also, rotating the push button housing gives you the option of momentary only - constant on that can be "pulsed" for momentary function like the Surefire XM tailcap - and lockout that prevents any and all activation.  With the Surefire Scout series, you have to decide whether you want to use the tape switch, or manual activiation, and doesn't have the same ease of multi-function use.

The only real improvement I would make to the M3X interface is to have it function like the PEQ switch - tap once for momentary function - twice for constant on.  

Then again, this might be all retro-active justification based on the fact that I'm already heavily invested in the Insight system.  

Nevertheless, at the moment, I have no problems running the M3X and the Surefires side-by-side, and think that each offers some advantages over the other.  

~Augee

I really like the push button on the M3X... it looks so easy to push and I prefer it over the small switches on the back of the X300. Not to mention the integration of the tape switch plug is another benefit... I also love the Insight type tape switches. As for the standard tape switch Surefires come with leave much to be desired....

With all that said Augee, I felt the same way about the push button, but their new lights offer this feature. I was sent a set of Binki filters by the .mil Rep as well as an HX120 light. It's tailcap features the double click to on feature. IIRC the new light they developed that's shown in prior pages has this same feature. As for light output, I agree, the LED model I bought for my 1911 is way brighter, but I do like how I can focus the beam on my tan M3X vs the wide beam of the LED model.

Committed to buy a Dark Eath FA556 today.  Block 2.5 clone coming...

Think I'm about to wind up with another M4 type upper. Going to do a Block 1.5 maybe. Sopmod Stock, Knight's rail, Insight Light, can't decide on optic though

i have a 620V in tan on its way to me now. i dont know if i should get rid of it in favor of the M3X or a 600C. i dont have a use for the vampire head.

i think my build is coming along the slowest. i had an NT4 FH and sold it. so im almost back at square 1. i think the only thing i have so far for my block 2 is a insight tan dual switch, fde sopmod...and thats about it.

(whisper) AFSOC m4










Finally sold my NV and got my refund for my omega. Now what to do!

Not a T1 fan (yet). Was thinking Eotech 552, Knight's RAS, Sopmod stock and the M3X. Then paint the whole damn thing

I like both Eotech 552,553 and the XPS3, bit if you have a few already and dont have a T1.
I'd consider one they are to me the best aimpoint model and I really like it but prefer eotech.
I love the fact that mine has been on setting 7 for 1.5 yrs and still going.

The 620v is fantastic in some regards and a failure in others. If you have nods (I do) and need a white light as well as an illuminator its fantastic. The problem however is SF's mount sucks and there are few options on the aftermarket as SF changed the mounting pattern from the 600 series which is well supported in the aftermarket. My shop has been able to get SF to sell us 600 series bodies with KM2 heads which is the best of both worlds.

I have an M3X and there is no comparison as far as illumination is concerned between it and the m600, m300, and 620v. In fact the M3X isn't in the same planet from an illumination perspective.